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Convolutions of an Evil Mind
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Feral-verse: Contagion 5/? (FF7 AU, Feral-verse)
61 hisses or Hiss in my ear....
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jessara40k From: jessara40k Date: January 25th, 2008 12:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
Rufus would've had a hard time persuading Reno (or another Turk) under normal circumstances with Rufus completely lucid -- after all, one of the Turks' primary jobs is to protect Rufus. An obviously mentally confused Rufus didn't have a hope in hell of convincing Reno to leave him behind.

Agreed, but if he'd been thinking normally Reno would probably have put him down, and trusted him to stay out of the way and let Reno do his job, or at least that's my read on it.

But again, I think Rufus was already discontented with the 'not dirtying one's own hands' fairly early on. Remember, Rufus did take it upon himself to personally confront Cloud and his team early in the game.

I'd forgotten about that.

Either way -- Rufus embracing the Change or not -- Reno is a non-factor in the fight because he was taken down almost immediately by the first monster (i.e., Reno was practically disemboweled, poor guy).

Ouch, yes, I can see that.

The barrier Zack created in Nibelheim is basically an enhanced feral variant of the conventional magical barrier-type spells cast with materia. Yes, he could've created a barrier with 'crude' lifeforce manipulation, but when you think about it, it's a clumsy and pretty inefficient use of power.

Yes it is, but I was assuming ferals, except for healers, still needed to 'focus' magic through materia except for 'crude' effects.

Actually, I see Cloud as really second-guessing himself only when it comes to his emotions and feelings (especially with respect to
Sephiroth, of course), but not with regard to most other things, especially his physical and combat abilities. He -knows- he's damn good at fighting and I can't recall an instance in which he questioned himself about that, even in the midst of the worst of Sephiroth's mindfuckery. So I can see Cloud taking things like shapeshifting or developing new abilities with a surprisingly pragmatic sort of calm, even disregarding the effect of going feral.


I see where you're coming from here, but I was expecting that he'd associate the mental/emotional aspects of the Change so strongly with the
physical aspects that he'd let his emotional second-guessing affect that as well. Also, the last time someone developed new abilities like this it was because of Jenova, and I thought he might have the same sort of issues regarding that as Sephiroth.
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: January 26th, 2008 10:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
Agreed, but if he'd been thinking normally Reno would probably have put him down, and trusted him to stay out of the way and let Reno do his job, or at least that's my read on it.

That's highly probable.

Yes it is, but I was assuming ferals, except for healers, still needed to 'focus' magic through materia except for 'crude' effects.

That's a perfectly understandable assumption, because that little fact (that ferals don't need to use materia) hasn't become an issue in the story just yet. However, it won't be long until Cloud or Cid start chucking around magic without materia.

I see where you're coming from here, but I was expecting that he'd associate the mental/emotional aspects of the Change so strongly with the physical aspects that he'd let his emotional second-guessing affect that as well. Also, the last time someone developed new abilities like this it was because of Jenova, and I thought he might have the same sort of issues regarding that as Sephiroth.

Well, not exactly. I see Cloud as being far less prone to his usual angst about any new abilities he develops simply because Zack's presence. And after the conversation with Cid, Cloud has pretty much made -- at least subconsciously -- the decision to trust Zack. But more importantly, the concerns that Cloud might have about the changes he's undergoing being 'Jenova-tainted' are going to be mostly relieved by Aeris, when Cloud and Zack go and talk to her in the church (in spirit). Aeris might not know exactly what's going on with Zack and Cloud, but she definitely senses that it's not 'bad', especially when the Lifestream overwhelmingly agrees with her hunches.

Unlike other times Cloud has dealt with Sephiroth (post-Nibelheim), Cloud doesn't have to struggle alone. I think Cloud will be much less prone to his customary emotional uncertainty, even with respect to Sephiroth-related issues, when he knows that both Zack and Aeris are at his back. Not only do they provide support because they fully understand both him and the situation, but also they also give him a sense of security no one else can.

Cloud's trust in Aeris and Zack is vital to getting Cloud to fully remember and accept Sephiroth's true place in his heart. Yes, he will freak out a bit and naturally be anxious, but it's going to be much easier to assimilate the concept with Zack (physically present) and Aeris (in spirit, for now) there to hold his hands through the process.
jessara40k From: jessara40k Date: January 28th, 2008 01:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
However, it won't be long until Cloud or Cid start chucking around magic without materia.

Sounds like that will be...interesting. Can't wait.

But more importantly, the concerns that Cloud might have about the changes he's undergoing being 'Jenova-tainted' are going to be mostly relieved by Aeris, when Cloud and Zack go and talk to her in the church (in spirit).

I hadn't thought about that.

Cloud's trust in Aeris and Zack is vital to getting Cloud to fully remember and accept Sephiroth's true place in his heart. Yes, he will freak out a bit and naturally be anxious, but it's going to be much easier to assimilate the concept with Zack (physically present) and Aeris (in spirit, for now) there to hold his hands through the process.

Yes, I can see how he'll start considering it because they assure him that it will be alright more than anything else.
61 hisses or Hiss in my ear....