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Convolutions of an Evil Mind
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Feral-verse: Contagion 5/? (FF7 AU, Feral-verse)
61 hisses or Hiss in my ear....
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madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: January 23rd, 2008 12:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
You do Rufus' relationship with his Turks really well.

Thanks! I pictured their relationship as being low key and very discreet. Rufus is a very secretive, highly controlled sort of person (rather like Sephiroth), so although his feelings run deep, he very rarely shows it. In the cutthroat social and corporate environment Rufus grew up and lived in, it's usually a bad idea to let others know that you care a lot about someone or something because those others have no scruples about using that information against you. The Turks closest to Rufus understand this, so they play the game his way.

Good grasp of priorities here from Reno

You wouldn't think it from the way he generally behaves, right? Reno is obviously much more concerned about Rufus's mental and emotional well-being than his mere physical appearance, although he really tries to pretend otherwise.

and of course he wouldn't be Reno if he didn't think about taking advantage with a(n ex-)lover.

Oh, naturally. Once he feels reassured about Rufus' mental condition, Reno happily resumes his usual horny behavior. ^_-

Even better grasp of priorities here, and very typical for Rufus I'd think.

Rufus strikes me as being a very intellectually oriented sort of person, even though he certainly doesn't lack for physical skills or courage. Rufus obviously considers his mind his most valuable asset, so for him, the ability to think clearly is much more important than mere physical comfort.

This has to mean that he's really good at hiding things, or I'm certain the Turks would have noticed it. So...a childhood where he had to hide things, from his parents/carers?

That's right. As I mentioned above, I picture Rufus growing up in a rather hostile environment, surrounded by lots of scheming, backstabbing, and people (especially his father) constantly trying to manipulate him. It's no wonder that Rufus quickly learns to manipulate everyone right back, and he does it mostly with information. To Rufus, information is a commodity, a tool, and a weapon, and he's very cautious about what he reveals, especially about himself.

So that's why Rufus tends to be so secretive about everything. And it's no surprise that he puts extra effort in hiding both his deeper feelings and his problems -- he's learned that it's dangerous to appear weak and vulnerable. So even though he trusts the Turks closest to him, Rufus still prefers to hide the fact that there's something wrong with him if he can.

And you did a really good job of showing that in this section. I liked it that Reno's presence is what made the sub-feral/low-level feral into an active, rather than potential, threat.

Actually the monsters are not sub-ferals, but Jenova-spawn (i.e., mutated monsters containing Jenova cells) -- that's why they feel so 'wrong' to Rufus.

Rufus wasn't worried about himself because he instinctively knows that they're not strong enough to be a threat to him. However, the Jenova-spawn represent a serious threat to a still human-Reno for two main reasons: (1) Reno's not strong enough to handle an entire pack of the monsters; and (2) while it's hard for a Jenova-spawn to find a high-level feral like Rufus (especially in his home territory), the monsters have no problem hunting down a mere human. So as soon Reno appeared in the vicinity, the Jenova-spawn headed right for him.
jessara40k From: jessara40k Date: January 23rd, 2008 03:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
I pictured their relationship as being low key and very discreet.

That too, but you also show that they know him in a way no one else does, in a way I'm not sure most bodyguards would.

In the cutthroat social and corporate environment Rufus grew up and lived in, it's usually a bad idea to let others know that you care a lot about someone or something because those others have no scruples about using that information against you. The Turks closest to Rufus understand this, so they play the game his way.

Makes sense. They might be 'outside' of corporate politics in a way, but they also happen to be Rufus' 'tools' to implement his own moves, and they see the politics more clearly than a lot of insiders would.

You wouldn't think it from the way he generally behaves, right? Reno is obviously much more concerned about Rufus's mental and emotional well-being than his mere physical appearance, although he really tries to pretend otherwise.

True, and he usually does a great job of that.

Rufus strikes me as being a very intellectually oriented sort of person, even though he certainly doesn't lack for physical skills or courage. Rufus obviously considers his mind his most valuable asset, so for him, the ability to think clearly is much more important than mere physical comfort.

As long as the pain isn't so bad it stops him thinking, right? And he only lacks for physical skills compared to a SOLDIER or a Turk, someone who trains a lot more than he can afford the time to.

So that's why Rufus tends to be so secretive about everything. And it's no surprise that he puts extra effort in hiding both his deeper feelings and his problems -- he's learned that it's dangerous to appear weak and vulnerable. So even though he trusts the Turks closest to him, Rufus still prefers to hide the fact that there's something wrong with him if he can.

Makes sense. And he might not want to worry them if he can avoid it, especially since they might not be quite as good at hiding their feelingas as he is. I mean, if he's learned to deduce thigns about other people from the smallest clue he could prefer to operate as if everyone else had that capability, even if he knows they don't.

Rufus wasn't worried about himself because he instinctively knows that they're not strong enough to be a threat to him. However, the Jenova-spawn represent a serious threat to a still human-Reno for two main reasons: (1) Reno's not strong enough to handle an entire pack of the monsters; and (2) while it's hard for a Jenova-spawn to find a high-level feral like Rufus (especially in his home territory), the monsters have no problem hunting down a mere human. So as soon Reno appeared in the vicinity, the Jenova-spawn headed right for him.

In other words Reno turned himself into bait, without meaning it, and at the moment Rufus is more worried about his bodyguard, because Reno's still human.
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: January 25th, 2008 07:10 am (UTC) (Link)
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you -- the wearisome and neverending demands of Real Life(tm). ::sigh::

Makes sense. They might be 'outside' of corporate politics in a way, but they also happen to be Rufus' 'tools' to implement his own moves, and they see the politics more clearly than a lot of insiders would.

Keeping a professional distance -- or at least the appearance thereof -- is just one of the ways the Turks used to protect Rufus. That way, it's much easier for Rufus to keep up the facade of not caring about what happens to them (the Turks).

And he only lacks for physical skills compared to a SOLDIER or a Turk, someone who trains a lot more than he can afford the time to.

The Turks and SOLDIERs are professionals and specialists in combat and fieldwork, so naturally Rufus's combat abilities aren't up to their level. However, I would consider him to be a very talented 'amateur' and quite capable of taking care of himself against non-enhanced opponents.

Makes sense. And he might not want to worry them if he can avoid it, especially since they might not be quite as good at hiding their feelingas as he is. I mean, if he's learned to deduce thigns about other people from the smallest clue he could prefer to operate as if everyone else had that capability, even if he knows they don't.

I don't think Rufus is too worried about the Turks letting stuff slip -- they're pros in handling dirty work and keeping their mouths shut about it. But if Rufus thinks that someone -- Turk or not -- doesn't need to know a sensitive piece of information, he's not going to tell them. Better safe than sorry -- it's as simple as that.

In other words Reno turned himself into bait, without meaning it, and at the moment Rufus is more worried about his bodyguard, because Reno's still human.

That's exactly right. The Jenova-spawn were pretty much wandering around aimlessly until Reno showed up in the vicinity. And since 'human=food/prey' in their piggy, Jenova-warped brains, they immediately homed in on Reno. That's why Rufus kept telling Reno to leave the area, except that Rufus wasn't coherent enough to why or where he wanted Reno to go.
jessara40k From: jessara40k Date: January 25th, 2008 12:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
Keeping a professional distance -- or at least the appearance thereof -- is just one of the ways the Turks used to protect Rufus. That way, it's much easier for Rufus to keep up the facade of not caring about what happens to them (the Turks).

Yes, but personally I doubt that Rufus cares about all of the Turks as people rather than as Turks. What I mean is that he cares about Reno because he's Reno, or Tseng because he's Tseng, but he only cares about the Turks he doesn't encounter as often because they're Turks, and as such they're his. Did that make sense?

And you made perfect sense in explaining how Rufus operates with regard to information and his combat capabilities pre-Change.

That's why Rufus kept telling Reno to leave the area, except that Rufus wasn't coherent enough to why or where he wanted Reno to go.

And his arguments/protests kept on slowing Reno down, besides which carrying Rufus couldn't have helped the speed.
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: January 26th, 2008 10:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes, but personally I doubt that Rufus cares about all of the Turks as people rather than as Turks. What I mean is that he cares about Reno because he's Reno, or Tseng because he's Tseng, but he only cares about the Turks he doesn't encounter as often because they're Turks, and as such they're his. Did that make sense?

When I talk about the Turks, I generally mean the core group of those closest to Rufus (e.g., Tseng, Reno, etc.), while also recognizing that there are other Turks that are not in the 'inner circle' so to speak. So when I said that the Turks keep the appearance of a professional distance with Rufus as a means of protecting him, I was referring specifically to the subgroup we're familiar with This 'distance' would help protect Rufus from everyone else, including other Turks who perhaps are not so personally loyal to Rufus.

You're right in that Rufus extends his trust and care to only a very limited group. So yes, there are plenty of other Turks that he views merely as useful subordinates. But he does value those other Turks, if in a somewhat proprietary way, like a hunter values his pack of hounds. They're his property, so to speak, and since his well-being and success depends substantially on their performance, he takes care of them accordingly.

Hmmmm... I guess it's my turn to as if that makes sense?

And his arguments/protests kept on slowing Reno down, besides which carrying Rufus couldn't have helped the speed.

I don't think that the physical burden of carrying Rufus would've slowed Reno down much -- I tend to consider the Turks to be peak human or slightly enhanced to that level -- so it was probably more his concern and distraction about Rufus's condition that bogged things down.
jessara40k From: jessara40k Date: January 28th, 2008 01:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
But he does value those other Turks, if in a somewhat proprietary way, like a hunter values his pack of hounds. They're his property, so to speak, and since his well-being and success depends substantially on their performance, he takes care of them accordingly.

Hmmmm... I guess it's my turn to as if that makes sense?


Yes, and it's what I was trying to get at.

I don't think that the physical burden of carrying Rufus would've slowed Reno down much -- I tend to consider the Turks to be peak human or slightly enhanced to that level -- so it was probably more his concern and distraction about Rufus's condition that bogged things down.

Makes sense.
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