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Feral-verse - Contagion 2/? (FF7 AU, Feral-verse)
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madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: May 29th, 2007 07:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm not sure to be grateful for that, or to wish that they were that predictable. And I guess that sometimes the PTSD epsodes happen with triggers that seem almost random?

Yes, occasionally the PTSD episodes are the result of cumulative triggers -- the wrong smell combined with the wrong words combined with the wrong sights, etc. -- and yes, the unpredictability does make things difficult.

Two out of three of the best people on the Planet at blaming themselves for everything that goes wrong around them are part of the same pack.

Well, Sephiroth's guilt is very focused on his lovers, so while he doesn't feel much (if any guilt) with respect to what he did to humanity in general while insane, he definitely feels the guilt when it comes to Aeris, Zack, and Cloud (especially Cloud, of course).

I'll bet Aeris and Zack have their hands full keeping those two from dwelling on their sense of guilt.

Yup. Cloud and Sephiroth are definitely high-maintenence in the emotional sense. Not because they want to be, but they're the products of their environment (Sephiroth) and their experiences (Cloud). Sephiroth can't escape his sense of being somehow tainted, and Cloud is constantly dealing with issues of insecurity and failure.

Fortunately, I think Aeris and Zack are up for the job. That's why I think this OT4 works so well, because dealing with Sephiroth and Cloud would be rather hard for Aeris or Zack alone. With both of them there, Aeris and Zack can support each other when things get tough.

The only question is what do they think his reasons [for going feline] are? Does Cloud feel guilty about Sephiroth obviously 'having' to 'indulge' his weakness? Do Aeris and Zack find it sweet and caring?

Aeris and Zack definitely would find it endearing. And they probably would have hard time keeping their hands off semi-feline!Sephiroth. If Aeris likes playing with Sephiroth's hair, can you imagine what she could do with furry ears and tail? ^_- But yes, Cloud probably would feel guilty about it. But that's Cloud. ::eye-roll::

[(7) immature high-level ferals (Marlene)]

I hadn't quite realised Marlene would be a high-level feral.


I'm thinking abou making her a mid-level feral. I haven't decided yet.

[(8) normal Zack; SOLDIERs]

Probably my own prejudices influencing me, but I thought Zack was a bit better than the general run of SOLDIERs, even SOLDIERs 1st class, even before he got infected with the Cetra virus?


There's a fair bit of variability within the various rankings, as well as some overlap between rankings, depending on circumstances. But yes, Zack is definitely among the best of the SOLDIERs so he probably should move up a bit.

And...you don't seem to have low-level ferals on that list. Also, is Shera a mid-level or a low-level feral?

Shera probably is a mid-level feral, especially if she's going to mate with Cid and Vincent. Large differences in power levels can make breeding difficult and dangerous.

Here's a slightly revised power scale (combat-wise):
(1) feral-Sephiroth; feral-Cloud
(2) feral-Zack; feral-Vincent
(3) feral-Aeris; other high-level ferals (Cid, Yuffie, Rufus, etc.)
(4) AC-Cloud; insane!Sephiroth
(5) pre-Nibelheim Sephiroth; high-level Jenova spawn
(6) mid-level ferals (Reno, Tseng, Shera, etc.); normal-Vincent
(7) normal-Zack; mid-level Jenova spawn
(8) immature mid-level ferals (Marlene)
(9) First Class SOLDIERs
(10) normal-Yuffie, normal-Nanaki, Tifa, Barret
(11) Second and Third Class SOLDIERS; low-level ferals; low-level Jenova spawn
(12) sub-ferals
(13) normal humans

Sub-ferals refers to individuals who survive the physical Change, but do not successfully make the mental Change -- they have moderately enhanced physical abilities, but lose most of their higher cognitive abilities.
jessara40k From: jessara40k Date: May 30th, 2007 10:51 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, Sephiroth's guilt is very focused on his lovers, so while he doesn't feel much (if any guilt) with respect to what he did to humanity in general while insane, he definitely feels the guilt when it comes to Aeris, Zack, and Cloud (especially Cloud, of course).

Yes, but it's those three he's around most. And I wonder if he might feel a bit mroe guilt about SOLDIERs than about bog-standard humanity?

Fortunately, I think Aeris and Zack are up for the job. That's why I think this OT4 works so well, because dealing with Sephiroth and Cloud would be rather hard for Aeris or Zack alone. With both of them there, Aeris and Zack can support each other when things get tough.

Yes, they do work really well together, although I suspect two close pairings with a high-maintainence/low-maintenence set-up and a strong friendship would have similar benefits. But the OT4's a lot more fun to read about.

But yes, Cloud probably would feel guilty about it. But that's Cloud. ::eye-roll::

And it's one of the things Zack and Aeris love about him, right?

Sub-ferals refers to individuals who survive the physical Change, but do not successfully make the mental Change -- they have moderately enhanced physical abilities, but lose most of their higher cognitive abilities.

Cool. I'd half wondered if those were going to end up as low-level ferals, but this works much better.
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: May 30th, 2007 02:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
And I wonder if he might feel a bit mroe guilt about SOLDIERs than about bog-standard humanity?

Probably, although it's probably a bit more on the lines of mild regret than outright guilt. And even that will be alleviated a fair bit when he offers them sanctuary when human start persecuting them for being Jenova-contaminated. It's a type of restitution for Sephiroth.

And it's one of the things Zack and Aeris love about him, right?

Indeed. Cloud's the type who wants to help/protect those he cares about, not be a burden (as he perceives it) to them.

[Sub-ferals refers to individuals who survive the physical Change, but do not successfully make the mental Change -- they have moderately enhanced physical abilities, but lose most of their higher cognitive abilities.]

Cool. I'd half wondered if those were going to end up as low-level ferals, but this works much better.


Low-level ferals have succesfully transitioned both physically and mentally, but are fairly restricted in physical enhancements. They have only a moderate level of physical and sensory boosts, and are typically limited to a single highly specific alter-form. In comparison, the high-level ferals have a very wide range of shape-shifting (along with numerous other abilities), not only in variation of alter-forms, degree of shifting, but size as well (e.g., Cid can be human-sized, dragon-sized, and anything in-between, etc.)

Sub-ferals are definitely sub-human in mental ability, but they can vary considerably in physical ability. So there can be sub-ferals who have Behemoth-like size/strength. Sub-ferals have basically degenerated into something between the usual wild beasts/monsters and extremely primitive pre-humans. Some sub-ferals do retain enough intelligence to form vicious marauding bands who prey on anything vulnerable.

So you can see that sub-ferals can be quite dangerous, especially in packs. They aren't so much a threat to ferals, but definitely to normal humans, especially if the communities do not have significant military capability.

That's why various human communities are willing to submit to feral authority, in return for protection from a variety of threats (sub-ferals, Jenova-spawn, normal monsters, human marauders, etc.). Sub-ferals avoid the core territories of powerful ferals, but they roam in the open or 'free' areas between these core territories.
jessara40k From: jessara40k Date: May 30th, 2007 02:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
Probably, although it's probably a bit more on the lines of mild regret than outright guilt.

But it's still more than the humans get; I just figured Sephiroth might feel he had a bit more in common with SOLDIERs than with regular humans.

It's a type of restitution for Sephiroth.

The way trying to rescue his mates from whatever's 'controlling' them from his point of view probably started out as? And it's a pity Cloud's sense of guilt can't be alleviated that easily, even if it only works with those outside the pack for Sephiroth.

So you can see that sub-ferals can be quite dangerous, especially in packs. They aren't so much a threat to ferals, but definitely to normal humans, especially if the communities do not have significant military capability.

That's why various human communities are willing to submit to feral authority, in return for protection from a variety of threats (sub-ferals, Jenova-spawn, normal monsters, human marauders, etc.). Sub-ferals avoid the core territories of powerful ferals, but they roam in the open or 'free' areas between these core territories.


Yeah, I can see how they'd be a threat to normal humans, and I guess it would be the same principle as how most of humanity obeyed the ShinRa corporation during its heyday.
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: May 30th, 2007 06:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
But it's still more than the humans get; I just figured Sephiroth might feel he had a bit more in common with SOLDIERs than with regular humans.

That's definitely true. As I mentioned in discussions about COI, my personal theory is that Sephiroth and the SOLDIERs really do experience the world differently from normal humans due to their enhancements (especially sensory). So yes, it's very likely that Sephiroth has more empathy for SOLDIERs than he would for normal humans.

And it's a pity Cloud's sense of guilt can't be alleviated that easily, even if it only works with those outside the pack for Sephiroth.

Probably because Cloud's sense of guilt is so innerly-focused -- his failures, his flaws, etc.

That's why Zack and Aeris are so important to making OT4 work -- they have the empathy to understand the severity of Cloud's and Sephiroth's issues, but they're also not over-protective, which is almost more important. They won't coddle them excessively or let them wallow over things that can't be changed. And if that means giving Cloud or Sephiroth a sharp smack (verbally or literally), Zack and Aeris are prepared to do that for their own good. ^_^
56 hisses or Hiss in my ear....