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COI - Excerpt from an old teaser for Nibelheim Redux
25 hisses or Hiss in my ear....
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soloyuymaxwell From: soloyuymaxwell Date: February 23rd, 2007 07:50 am (UTC) (Link)
Wooo~! It's 1:40am in the morning, I have to leave for work at 6:20am, and we're supposed to get snow! =_= And I'm majorly, cracked-up tired. *Thwacks her insomnia with her Super Awsome Hentai Master Frying Pan of Death Doom and Destruction* Forgive me if I don't make any sense while I type this.

Onward to happier things, like your posts! ^^ Having just read your response to my last one, I must say that I am more than pleasantly surprised that plotbunnies have come bearing you future angst. I feel so gay! ^^ *Dances happily about the living room*

As for this, yes, I do believe I've read this entire thing when you'd posted it on your site. ^^ It's just... been a while... It's not surprising to see Strife getting compared to a chocobo... XD He's got the right hair color!

Is it me or is Strife kind of turning into a game-based, insane Sephy? o.O I've noticed similarities. Granted, it happens longer than overnight, but both him and the general sport a few like-qualities. On one hand, they are both incredibly insane and hate everyone. On the other, Sephiroth wanted to destroy the planet. I'm pretty sure Strife wants to live. And while Sephiroth was "under the influence" of Jenova, so was Strife, from all that special treatment from Hojo and the happenings with Dr... Savois, was it? Ugh... I can't remember and I'm too lazy to check. Anyway, I was just wondering if that was intentional? You never said anything about that, but that doesn't always mean there isn't anything there. Then again, maybe I'm looking too into it... >.<

Another thing, *Points* HQ insisted? Oh dear... it sounds like someone in charge of a certain company might fear this little kid could be linked to him via of blackmail... From his own son! *NudgeNudge* Wouldn't that make an interesting side-story...? *Pokes* Yesh? ^^

My head hurts... >.< I wish I were a gay male! *Crawls off to take aspirin*
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 23rd, 2007 11:33 am (UTC) (Link)
Gah. Thanks for adding to the zoo. ::stares grumpily at COI-plotbunnies littering her home::

Is it me or is Strife kind of turning into a game-based, insane Sephy? o.O I've noticed similarities. Granted, it happens longer than overnight, but both him and the general sport a few like-qualities. On one hand, they are both incredibly insane and hate everyone.

There are similaries between Strife and Sephiroth, of course. They're both insane. But their type of insanity is very rather different.

Sephiroth's insanity reflects his personality. It's much more intellectual in nature -- it's more like a matter of principle than a personal vendetta. Sephiroth is cold and calculating -- he plans, plots, deals with grand schemes, etc. He's a big picture-type of madman (and no, destroying the planet wasn't his ultimate goal, but rather an unimportant side effect). Also, Sephiroth really doesn't hate everyone -- he just doesn't give a damn about most of them. Although he despises certain individuals, he's more contemptuous and scornful of humanity in general. But he doesn't hate them personally. So insane Sephiroth is ice.

In constrast, Strife's insanity is much more personal and immature in scope -- it's all about "me, me, ME!". It's childish brattiness and spitefulness taken to the nth degree. And as abundantly clear (I hope), Strife hates everyone personally. So Strife is fire.

It's like comparing... hmmm, the closest real-life comparison I can think of at the moment is Hitler and Jeffrey Dahmer. Both are definitely insane, but Hilter was grand-scheme nuts, while Dahmer was personal-gratifcation nuts. Even if you gave Dahmer Hitler's equivalent in power, I would think that he'd still be more fixiated on personal gratification than anything else. ::shrug::

That difference in insanity is important. Personally, I tend to think that dealing with Strife would be considerably harder than dealing with mad-Sephiroth. Sephiroth was ruthless, merciless, and all that, but he was also deliberate and rather rational in his own way -- he had an overall goal and most of what he did was directed at achieving that goal.

On the other hand, Strife is going to be a horribly unpredictable enemy because he's much more emotion-driven. You can't be sure from moment to moment if he's planning to blow up a city in a temper tantrum or target an individual out of sheer spite.

No question that Strife will be a troublesome enemy in COI. But that doesn't necessarily mean he's the ultimate 'boss' of the story, so to speak. After all, there is a pretty easy way of dealing with Strife....

On the other hand, the cure might be worse than the disease. ^_-

And while Sephiroth was "under the influence" of Jenova, so was Strife, from all that special treatment from Hojo and the happenings with Dr... Savois, was it? Ugh...

Jenova's influence over Strife is much more indirect than with Sephiroth. Jenova can't really coax and guide Strife into doing specific things the way she manipulated Sephiroth. Strife views Jenova as female and we all know Strife's poor opinion of females. ^_- Jenova's influence is basically limited to the fact that her cells greatly aggravate Cloud Strife's preexisting mental instability.

If not for Jenova's direct intervention, Sephiroth would probably still be reasonably sane. Strife was insane all along and Jenova only made it worse.

(cont'd)
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 23rd, 2007 11:33 am (UTC) (Link)

And while Sephiroth was "under the influence" of Jenova, so was Strife, from all that special treatment from Hojo and the happenings with Dr... Savois, was it? Ugh...

Jenova's influence over Strife is much more indirect than with Sephiroth. Jenova can't really coax and guide Strife into doing specific things the way she manipulated Sephiroth. Strife views Jenova as female and we all know Strife's poor opinion of females. ^_- Jenova's influence is basically limited to the fact that her cells greatly aggravate Cloud Strife's preexisting mental instability.

If not for Jenova's direct intervention, Sephiroth would probably still be reasonably sane. Strife was insane all along and Jenova only made it worse.

Another thing, *Points* HQ insisted? Oh dear... it sounds like someone in charge of a certain company might fear this little kid could be linked to him via of blackmail... From his own son! *NudgeNudge* Wouldn't that make an interesting side-story...? *Pokes* Yesh? ^^

If you're talking about President Shinra, he had nothing to do Cloud's assignment to the Nibelheim Incident. And why should he care if someone figures out if there's a bastard or three? In a way, it just shows off his masculine prowess, eh? It's only AFTER the Nibelheim Incident that the President gets reminded about Cloud's existence and realizes that his bastard child might be useful... but not in the way one might expect.

Just remember two things:
(1) Cloud's genetic background is important in COI;
(2) Rufus is both Cloud's cousin and half-brother by blood.

::slithers away cackling very quietly in deference to the headache::
kittychan1986 From: kittychan1986 Date: February 23rd, 2007 07:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
But Strife also shows a marked hatred for everything male. So if you had to define Strife's sexuality, how would you do it? Would he be homosexual, heterosexual, of course, whatever he is it would have to be served with a side dish of making everyone and everything around him hurt and humiliated, as he himself was? Typically, and I'm seeing this in Strife, a rapist is not raping for sexual gratification, it a power issue. Which is one of Strife's major things. he wants, he needs, to make everyone recognize him as all powerful and dangerous. Especially Tifa and Sephiroth, they hurt him, and now he wants to show them how much they hurt him.

In a way, one can almost pity him, purely because the sheer amount of suffering Cloud had to go through as a child and a young adult, to, by the time he was 16, create a splinter personality to handle all of the bad things he no longer could.
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 23rd, 2007 10:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
But Strife also shows a marked hatred for everything male. So if you had to define Strife's sexuality, how would you do it? Would he be homosexual, heterosexual, of course, whatever he is it would have to be served with a side dish of making everyone and everything around him hurt and humiliated, as he himself was?

Strife's sexuality? Hmmmm... probably aggressively heterosexual by preference, simply because he equates stereotypical brute masculinity with dominance, and therefore with power. He wants to be viewed as a 'real' man because 'real' men are powerful. He views homosexual men as weaklings who are either too chicken to deal with women or too weak to protect themselves from being screwed. So add homophobia to Strife's list of mental issues, why don't we?

Which is just another reason for Strife to hate Sephiroth and Zack, because they're freaking queers and yet have the unmitigated gall to be the strongest, most feared, and highly respected fighters around. I mean, really, imagine the nerve of those two! ^_-

However, that's not to say that Strife wouldn't resort to raping a guy in order to hurt him, but probably with objects than personally.

Typically, and I'm seeing this in Strife, a rapist is not raping for sexual gratification, it a power issue. Which is one of Strife's major things. he wants, he needs, to make everyone recognize him as all powerful and dangerous.

You're quite right -- it's all about power issues with Strife. Sex and rape are just another way for him to express dominance and power over everyone. As he sees it, in life, you're either the screwer or the screwee -- there's no in-between -- and Strife has no intention of ever being on the receiving end ever again.

Especially Tifa and Sephiroth, they hurt him, and now he wants to show them how much they hurt him.

Strife would certainly love to show them what it feels like to be hurt like he was. Ironically, unbeknownst to Strife, Sephiroth DOES know quite well, although Strife wouldn't let a puny thing like fairness stop him.

In a way, one can almost pity him, purely because the sheer amount of suffering Cloud had to go through as a child and a young adult, to, by the time he was 16, create a splinter personality to handle all of the bad things he no longer could.

I'm glad you feel that way. Even though Strife is despicable, I'm also trying to make him seem rather pitiful. That doesn't make him any less dangerous, of course.

Cloud created Strife, and then Strife eventually turned on his creator. Not surprising when you realize that Strife not only embodies all the fear, hatred, and resentment younger Cloud felt toward others, but also the self-doubt and self-hatred Cloud must have felt for himself for being too weak to stop his abuse.

The sad thing is that there were probably several points along the way when a sympathetic person or some basic human kindness may have significantly changed things. Cloud still would have been badly emotionally scarred, but he probably wouldn't have been the impending mental and emotional disaster we see in Nibelheim Redux.

By that time, it was probably too late to help Cloud, even if Zack had tried to befriend him. And once Jenova and Hojo enter the picture, the younger Cloud is pretty much doomed.
kittychan1986 From: kittychan1986 Date: February 26th, 2007 04:10 am (UTC) (Link)
What about Sephiroth, if he was ever given a chance at him? Strife is such a personal type villain. Whatever he feels would hurt more is what he would end up doing.

Which is an unfortunate side effect of the fact that he was created to take all the shit that Cloud couldn't handle anymore. Though Cloud never had a chance to grow a backbone, Strife has absolutely no idea of anything good that could happen.

In that way, I find him a most pitiable creature. You can still pity someone while accepting the danger that he represents.

One person, acting soon enough, could have stopped a great deal of this. Just someone caring enough to protect the kid, would probably have changed some of the events. I don't know what might have happened as a result of this with the Hojo mess, I am not sure.

yeah, I agree, by the time Cloud had come through basic, or even entered into the picture for Zack, it was already too late. It might have been possible for Zack to help him, but it seems like the few times Zack came into close contact with Cloud, there was no time, and nothing he could have done. In fact, the first 'time' they may have had together was when they were thrown together I the lab, and by the, it was definitely too late. Strife had hardened into a completely separate being from Cloud.
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 26th, 2007 01:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
What about Sephiroth, if he was ever given a chance at him? Strife is such a personal type villain. Whatever he feels would hurt more is what he would end up doing.

Strife is certainly wants to hurt Sephiroth as much as possible, but he's very leery of a direct confrontation. Although Strife absolutely hates Sephiroth and desperately wants to destroy him, Strife is also frankly terrified of Sephiroth, which isn't the case with anyone else. Naturally Strife refuses to admit he's scared, even to himself.

Even in that first full manifestation of Strife, when he basically trashed everyone's (including Sephiroth's) butt, that was a surprise attack. Strife hit hard and left fast. So for the moment, Strife will avoid being in close proximity with Sephiroth, and attack other targets.

Why is Strife so frightened about Sephiroth? Strife knows more about Sephiroth's true abilities than anyone -- perhaps even more than the current sane Sephiroth. While Strife is confident that he's physically stronger than Sephiroth, he's still frantic to avoid situations that would leave him vulnerable to Sephiroth's true powers.

Of course Strife will adamantly deny all of this. ^_-
25 hisses or Hiss in my ear....