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COI - Zack, dark and dangerous
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blue_oceandeep From: blue_oceandeep Date: November 10th, 2005 04:42 am (UTC) (Link)

*squeals with delight*

I swear. I come here, I have all my thoughts organized, and then I lose them all over again in giddyness. Guess I should have a few more read throughs for the delightedness to wear off. =)

He would be free again. And once free, he would take care of the final and most serious threat.

Sephiroth.


Oooo... is Sephiroth going to get a thrashing? *wicked grin*

And I love that we're finding more about Hojo's experiments. The sick bastard. I wonder who's going to bring the final smackdown on Hojo? Vincent, Seph, Reno, Red, or ZackCloud? Any hints, or should we start a betting pool? ;)

Can't wait for everyone to find out who's really in Cloud!

And is there anything we can do to make you write more? Keep you inspired? ^_^
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 07:07 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *squeals with delight*

I don't know about a thrashing, but Sephiroth is going to run into some difficulties.

If one accepts the COI theory that the power of a Jenova-modified person or creature increases with increasing insanity, then the present sane-Sephiroth is not as powerful as the insane-Sephiroth at the end of the game. Also, let us suppose that certain abilities that insane-Sephiroth used in the game are not available to sane-Sephiroth, perhaps because they either require more power or are strongly Jenova-related.

Consider that Cloud is more heavily modified than a regular SOLDIER --in fact, he is a 2nd generation SOLDIER which was intended to fully match and even exceed Sephiroth's known battle performance.

Now if a lack of sanity boosts one's power, consider just how strong Strife (in Cloud's body) is likely to be. As you can imagine, this is not good new for anyone, especially sane-Sephiroth. ::wince::

Sooooo... how are the good guys going to handle Strife?

::innocent whistle::
blue_oceandeep From: blue_oceandeep Date: November 10th, 2005 07:55 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *squeals with delight*

Also, let us suppose that certain abilities that insane-Sephiroth used in the game are not available to sane-Sephiroth, perhaps because they either require more power or are strongly Jenova-related.

Poor Sephy. He's less cool now. Well, it beats being shot at by a depowering gun. ;)

I hope we get to see his reaction when he's told of what he had been capable of.

And that thought he had about being able to force Cloud to do something in your previous snippet. Does that mean he still has that ability? Which reminds me that I need to remember that Sephiroth throughout most of the game isn't the real body of Sephiroth. (I keep forgetting it was him in a puppet.) Therefore, I'm curious... can your InsaneSeph go inhabit or see through the minds of multiple bodies at once, or only one at a time? And is he hopping and "away" from his real body when he does that, or is he anchor to his real body and just able to extend himself?

Anyways... that's an interesting idea on the relation of insanity and Jenova!Power. Sounds like only an insane person can process much of it. Or is it the processing that makes them insane? Questions, questions...

Consider that Cloud is more heavily modified than a regular SOLDIER --in fact, he is a 2nd generation SOLDIER which was intended to fully match and even exceed Sephiroth's known battle performance.

Awww... poor Sephy. He really isn't as cool anymore. And that makes Zack a 2nd Gen Soldier too, doesn't it? XD

In fact, Sephiroth will sense something's happened to Zack before everyone else does... except for the poor guy who happens to be around when Strife makes his move. ::cough::Yuffie::cough::

ROFL! XD
I'm sorry, I probably shouldn't laugh at that. O=)
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 08:34 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *squeals with delight*

Poor Sephy. He's less cool now. Well, it beats being shot at by a depowering gun. ;)

He's not less cool! ::hugs chibi-Seph plushie:: He's just back to his normal, non-nutty self. And since he doesn't clearly remember what he did while insane, no real loss there. However, in my Nibelheim prequel, there are comments that Sephiroth's strength had already been increasing sharply even before the mission to Nibelheim. And sudden increases in abilities is a danger sign in SOLDIERs.

And that thought he had about being able to force Cloud to do something in your previous snippet. Does that mean he still has that ability?

Ah yes, that insidious little thought about being able to force Cloud to do something. Sephiroth hasn't truly lost any abilities; he's only unable to use them... at the moment. Regaining his previous powers is really quite simple. Seductively simple, in fact. All he has to do is return to his former self.... ::evil grin::

The abilities of Insane-Sephiroth hasn't changed (so far) in COI. Nothing in the game indicates that Insane-Sephiroth was limited to inhabiting a single body at a time, if desired. I suppose it depends on how much active control he's exerting and the complexity of the task the puppet is performing. Something passive like seeing through puppets seems fairly easy to handle with multiple puppets while intense combat may require concentration with one puppet. My personal theory is that insane-Sephiroth's consciousness stayed with his primary body and that he merely extended his will to touch his puppets.

Anyways... that's an interesting idea on the relation of insanity and Jenova!Power. Sounds like only an insane person can process much of it. Or is it the processing that makes them insane? Questions, questions...

Ah, the infamous 'chocobo or egg' question! ::snicker:: My current theory is that mental instability removes the mind's natural protection against Jenova's influence and allows one to access more of the Jenova cell-related abilities, but that using such abilities tends to drive one even crazier. So it's a vicious cycle -- the nuttier you are, the more power you can use, and the more power you use, the nuttier you get.

No, Zack (in his original body) is a normal 1st generation SOLDIER, although a very high-functioning one (i.e., First Class). Cloud is the only 2nd generation human model, so to speak. However, throughout most of the game events, he was unable to make full use of those extra abilities due to his unstable mental state.

After the events at Mideel(?) when Cloud begins to mentally put himself back together (and when the stabilizing influence of Zack's personality really started to kick in), his abilities have gradually and steadily increased. The present Cloud probably has close to the full abilities of the 2nd generation SOLDIER as designed. So at the moment, Cloud (in full Zack-mode) is pretty close ability-wise to sane-Sephiroth. However, Strife, due to the extra boost from his craziness, can considerably exceed those design parameters.

ROFL! XD I'm sorry, I probably shouldn't laugh at that. O=)

Yeah, well Yuffie won't be laughing either. Fortunately, her chocobo just might pull a Lassie-rescue. ^_-
blue_oceandeep From: blue_oceandeep Date: November 12th, 2005 10:18 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *squeals with delight*

Ah yes, that insidious little thought about being able to force Cloud to do something. Sephiroth hasn't truly lost any abilities; he's only unable to use them... at the moment. Regaining his previous powers is really quite simple. Seductively simple, in fact. All he has to do is return to his former self.... ::evil grin::

That's got to be a bit scary. To just instantly become insane, and willingly too. Speaking for myself, that is awfully tempting... but if I'm insane, that means I'm not me, and I'm not really enjoying my power. Still, the idea is tantalizing....

And now I'm imagining a scenario where the only way Seph can save CloudZack is to regain an ability. And to do that, he has to become insane.

Does your Sephiroth Power mythology include the idea that under extreme stress, Seph can become stronger or unlock a power?

So it's a vicious cycle -- the nuttier you are, the more power you can use, and the more power you use, the nuttier you get.

Awesome. X)

No, Zack (in his original body) is a normal 1st generation SOLDIER, although a very high-functioning one (i.e., First Class). Cloud is the only 2nd generation human model, so to speak.

Oh, I meant that Zack is kinda like a 2nd Gen SOLDIER since he's in Cloud's body. =)

The present Cloud probably has close to the full abilities of the 2nd generation SOLDIER as designed. So at the moment, Cloud (in full Zack-mode) is pretty close ability-wise to sane-Sephiroth. However, Strife, due to the extra boost from his craziness, can considerably exceed those design parameters.

*cackles* Poor Seph. He doesn't know about the enemy that's in a body that was designed to be superior to him. *pats Seph on the hair* Looks like Strife is suppose to be cooler than you. =)

And damn... using your idea about 2nd Gen Soldiers, I can't help but think what would have happened to Seph if there was a 2nd Gen Soldier program that was succesfully launched *before* Seph went nuts in FF7. Hojo could have convinced Shina that Sephiroth was obselete and be more useful as a lab rat.

So, as COI is currently plotted (although this is subject to change)

You're not going to wander away from COI just yet, are you? *worries*
Here's a FF7 comedy fic I always reread. (Sorry if you read this one already!) It never fails to lift my mood or help energize my creativity. And the disclaimers and author notes in the beginning of each chapter (which aren't always the same) are funny too.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1803569/36/

Speaking of creativity... how many heads (and tails) do you have? Three or eight? I'm going to make it my mission to keep your COI bunnies fed. >=)
kotoshin From: kotoshin Date: November 17th, 2005 05:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *squeals with delight*

Sooooo... how are the good guys going to handle Strife?

::innocent whistle::


XDDD

CID: CRAP! *breaks out the tranks Savois gave him* Hey, BRAT, steal Spike's healing materia if you can!

... maybe, if Cid thinks forward at all about this, he'll tell Cloud that for his own safety, Cloud's perma-banned on being loaded with healing materia of ANY kind. XDDD

*oh, to be a fly on the wall when coi-8 finally emerges from its chrysalis!*
From: (Anonymous) Date: July 2nd, 2007 01:53 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: *squeals with delight*

''Sooooo... how are the good guys going to handle Strife? '' (pathetically trying to quote XD)

Hm, well, I certainly hope that Cloud will have something to do with it. As much as I love your Cloud=Cloud/Strife/Zack compared to the usual emo Cloud people tend to dish out (*coughcough*AC*coughcough*), I must say that I wish Cloud had his moments as much as Zack or Strife. I know, I'm a helpess Cloud fan ;)

Still, I think that even with Zack's backup and influence over his mental stability, Cloud had managed to build himself a more or less solid persona, as the one who had to live through all the events in the game. The memories he build up with his friends then are his alone, at least I think. ;) They lived through a lot together and they helped him grow considerably. I can't believe he would let Strife screw them up without lifting a finger. Of course, he'll need the usual slap-Cloud-to-his-senses treatment, be it from Zack or his friends. ;p Especially if he's going against Tifa; since Strife's hatred for her is this strong, I guess it will be one hell of a hard time stoping him.

Considering how much damage Strife could dish out to everyone considering your COI theories, the group will have one heck of a problem trying to stop him without killing him. Now that's gonna be something! D:

-Lirale again, sharing a bit of her own thinking (hope you don't mind^^)
39 hisses or Hiss in my ear....