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COI - new COI drabble
32 hisses or Hiss in my ear....
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 05:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Actually, the recent COI drabbles may have given you a mistaken impression. Zack's persona usually doesn't show up so markedly under normal circumstances. First, Zack does tend to manifest more strongly when he's alone with Sephiroth. Second, in specific high emotional stress situations, such as being in Nibelheim. The chocobo drabble fall into the first category and the Cloud/Reno drabble falls into the second.

The conversation in the chocobo stable is definitely a special occasion because Cloud and Sephiroth really don't have many opportunities to be alone, giving the ongoing crisis. Tifa, especially, would be EXTREMELY reluctant to leave those two alone, because of her worries about Cloud and her hostility/suspicions about Sephiroth.

So when you consider the upcoming chapter(s) as a whole (i.e., when other people are around) Cloud will be (hopefully) behaving basically like Cloud.

As for having Cloud behaving as Cloud in the chocobo drabble, I don't think it would work nearly as well. Actually, to be honest, I don't think that the comedic last bit in the chocobo drabble would have occurred at all if Cloud had been more Cloud. The only reason Sephiroth is willing to laugh and let his guard down, so to speak, is because he's responding to Zack's strong presence. Zack was/is a trusted and intimate friend, while Cloud is a respected opponent-now-temporary-ally, and he treats them very differently. If Cloud had been Cloud in the chocobo drabble, Cloud would NOT have stopped Sephiroth from just cutting his hair, and he certainly would NOT have suggested Sephiroth pet the chocobo. And even if Cloud had presumed to make the suggestion, Sephiroth definitely would not have given in.

Let's face it -- Cloud has extremely mixed feelings about Sephiroth, no wonder considering their past history, so naturally Cloud is rather wary and tense around Sephiroth. He would even more suspicious of having any sort of warm feelings toward Sephiroth, because he can never be quite sure whether they are his own emotions or perhaps the result of some devious tampering by Sephiroth. That's why his other friends' input is so important -- Cloud does not trust his own judgment where Sephiroth is concerned, and is constantly second-guessing himself. So while Cloud (without Zack's influence) may be courteous toward Sephiroth, he's unlikely to be warm and friendly.

Sephiroth has equally compelling reasons not to be overtly friendly toward Cloud. For one thing, being 'nice' would only make everyone, especially Cloud, more suspicious and wary of him. This is a man who is notorious from being cold, critical, arrogant, and demanding. That's what everyone expects to see and is prepared to deal with. Deviating from expectations will only complicate matters.

Secondly, Sephiroth has absolutely NO interest in making other people like him or exposing his 'human side'. He doesn't really give a damn what other people think of him as along as they can work efficiently together. Right now the only thing he's interested is making what little restitution he can for succumbing to Jenova's lies and betraying his friendship with Zack. And the only way to do that is help Cloud/Zack defeat Jenova and Hojo, and thereby survive.

Actually, I can see a very strong parallel between Sephiroth's behavior in COI and a possible explanation for Snape's actions in the Harry Potter books, especially the most recent one (The Half-Blood Prince). ^_-

So, no, you won't see COI Sephiroth being relaxed and friendly with Cloud or anyone else unless: (1) Zack's persona is strongly dominant AND (2) they're alone, with the possible exception of certain moments of distraction, etc.

So you can see that why Sephiroth is so mortified at getting caught (by Yuffie, of all people!) in the act of doing something as 'normal' as petting and talking to a chocobo. ^_-

redcrest From: redcrest Date: November 14th, 2005 09:45 am (UTC) (Link)
Aww, I see what you mean about Seph not caring to make nice with the other kids, but then Seph's only viable relationship (w/ Zack) will just remain the same as it was in the past, and I, at least, would really like to see Seph develop a little socially. Not to the point, of course, where he's friendly (or even on talking terms) with the others, but at least with Cloud-as-Cloud...

Considering the only way to be near his precious Zack is to stay beside Cloud, I kind of expected Seph to try, at least, to befriend Cloud ("befriend" is much too strong a word for now-- just, slowly, painfully, win back his trust or at least, his respect/allowance to stay with him). I guess, if Seph has no intention of trying to get "Zack" back in his life after he makes ammends for his betrayal, he wouldn't need to bother making Cloud trust him... but it would be so much fun to read... ^^
From: (Anonymous) Date: November 26th, 2005 05:38 pm (UTC) (Link)

COI - Cloud and Sephiroth's relationship, if any?

I agree with darkyradis about wanting to see Sephiroth attempt to make friends (sort of) with Cloud. I can see the strain between these two and the emotional powder keg that could blow up in everyone's face if their relationship doesn't walk on really fragile eggshells. But the closeness of Sephiroth and Zack/Cloud is a very real and, I think, important issue in this fanfic. I would love to see it grow, even though I just know Strife is going to do his best to screw it up! *o* This story is so much fun to read. Each time a new portion is added, I just have to run back to my binders and reread the entire story all over again!! I can't wait for the next installment and I know I'm being REALLY selfish, but I wish madamhydra would spend more time on COI than any of the other fanfics she's writing. I'm totally wrapped up in the story and now I have images of Advent Children's Cloud and friends to SEE when I read!! What could be better?
redcrest From: redcrest Date: December 7th, 2005 12:08 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: COI - Cloud and Sephiroth's relationship, if any?

...To be honest, I selfishly wish MH would only write COI too, but I guess you can't choose when/where inspiration strikes, huh? ^^ Still, I think I've read almost everything else by MH too, by this point... =P (the good thing about not updating for a long time is that your fans of a particular story will get desperate for more and read your other works! LoL!)
32 hisses or Hiss in my ear....