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COI - Excerpt from an old teaser for Nibelheim Redux
For those who are interested in the origins of Strife, I thought that I would repost this excerpt from the much longer teaser for Nibelheim Redux (150+ kb), which is the COI version of the Nibelheim Incident.

You can see for yourself how messed up younger COI-Cloud is, even before the Shinra scientists and Sephiroth get their claws into him. In the full teaser, you can see flashes of Strife-ish behavior already developing.

To set up the excerpt, Sephiroth, Zack, and the Shinra troops are in Nibelheim. Sephiroth is off brooding by himself, while Zack and the troopers are at the Inn.

Enjoy!

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About thirty minutes later, the off-duty troopers came to attention as Zack walked into the inn's dining room.

"At ease, men. Witney, round up everyone for a briefing."

With all the Shinra guards present, Zack stood up and said, "Okay, this is how it goes. There was a serious equipment malfunction in the mako reactor on Mt. Nibel, which caused the release of all sorts of crap into the local environment. I suspect that's the probable cause for the unusual monsters infesting this area. The General and I have shut down most of the facility, but the reactor itself is still active. However, I don't know how the monsters are going to react to this shutdown. They might not give a damn, or they might seriously object, in which case, we can expect some unwanted visitors. There's no way to tell. That's why I want you guys on your toes from now on. Got it?"

As the men murmured their agreement.

"Um, if you don't mind me asking... where IS the General, major?" asked Witney, a stocky private with a heavy-boned face.

"Because of the hazardous nature of some of these creatures, he's decided to deal with them personally. And while he's busy, we get the job of babysitting the town."

"Sephiroth's off hunting those monsters solo?" Witney said, obviously impressed with the General's bravery.

Zack simply shrugged, then turned to the squad leader, Corporal Pitcairn. "Set up a schedule for guard shifts."

He waited patiently as the corporal had finished assigning watches. As the men prepared to exit the room, Zack rapped the table and said, "One more thing." He paused until he was sure he had their undivided attention.

"Dr. Hojo, the head of Special Scientific Research is due to arrive at any time." Zack saw some of the more experienced troopers blanching at the mention of the scientist's name. He knew that those men would soon enlighten their more ignorant comrades. "I would strongly advise you to be on your best behavior and keep a very low profile while he's around. You do NOT want to attract Hojo's attention. That's all."

The men assigned to guard duty headed out into the rain, while the other troopers went upstairs to get some rest. But as soon as they were gone, he said, "Just a moment, corporal."

"Sir?"

Zack said drily, "There seems to be a slight discipline problem in your squad."

The corporal winced visibly, then sighed and rubbed his forehead. "You're talking about Strife, of course."

"In the last 24 hours, I've stopped or broken up three brawls, and all of them involved the other men ganging up on Private Strife. So what's the problem?"

"No excuse, sir, but...."

"Go ahead, corporal."

"There weren't any discipline problems until Strife got assigned to the unit, sir."

"So you're saying it's all his fault?"

Pitcairn frowned, then finally said, "Frankly, sir... yes!"

"So what exactly is Strife's problem?"

"To be blunt about it, he's got a shitty attitude and even worse judgment. It's hard to get along with a guy when you never know which way he's going to jump."

"Go on."

The corporal took a few seconds to gather his thoughts, then said slowly, "Sir, do you know much about chocobos?"

"A fair bit."

"Then you'll understand what I mean. Sometimes you get birds that's been really badly treated... abused, you know? Well, it's like there's something broken in their heads. They become sullen, unpredictable. People call 'em 'fear-biters'."

"Ah."

"Yeah, now you're getting the picture. Fear and anger are the only things that motivates them, and you can never tell how they'll react in any given situation. One time they'll be cowering in terror, and the next time, they'll be crazy vicious. Being nice to them doesn't do any good -- all they do is get aggressive and bossy."

"Using bravado to hide or deny the fear," Zack said thoughtfully.

"I guess. Anyway, once chocobos get that way, they're pretty much useless. You can't ride them because they're too damn untrustworthy. You can't let them go free because they're a danger to everybody else. About the only thing you can do with them is put 'em out of their misery."

He gave Pitcairn a long look and said, "So what you're telling me that Strife's the human equivalent of these fear-biters?"

"Basically." The corporal hesitated, then continued earnestly, "Listen, sir, the kid's totally fucked up. He's got no business being in the military. When you're going into a fight, you've got to be able to rely on the guy standing next to you. You don't have to like him. You can even hate his guts, but you need to know that he'll do his job just like you. You know how it is, sir."

"Yeah."

"You asked me why the guys don't like Strife? They don't like him because they can't trust him. He's a coward. Forget just being scared -- only idiots aren't scared -- but Strife, he's fuckin' terrified ALL THE TIME, no matter how much he tries to hide it. So half the time he'll be right in your face over the slightest thing. The other half of the time, he cringes if you give him a half-mean look. The problem is that you never know what he'll do."

"Wonderful. Just wonderful," Zack said with a sigh, raking a hand through his hair.

"Tell me about it, sir. I protested long and hard when they assigned him to my squad. I just knew he was going to be trouble. Among the noncoms, he's got a hell of a reputation. But HQ insisted."

"They wanted someone from Nibelheim on this mission."

"I guess he was the only one available. I requested that his assignment only be made temporary, but that was the best I could do."

Zack wasn't one to buy into every rumor he heard. Unfortunately, Pitcairn's statements only confirmed his own observations.

"All right. But that doesn't help our current situation."

"Sorry, sir."

"Just do your best to keep everyone out of trouble, okay? It's bad enough that this kid's life is going down the toilet. I don't want the other men's careers getting screwed up because they got carried away and did something stupid. I'm not a stickler for regulations and I'm willing to overlook a lot of things, but not if one of my men gets seriously hurt. And for the duration of this mission, Cloud Strife is one of my men, just like the rest of your squad. You got me, Corporal Pitcairn?"

"Yes sir. I'll make it perfectly clear to the men."

"Good. We'll figure out what to do with Strife once we get back to Midgar."

"Do you think you could... I mean, the recommendation of a SOLDIER First Class pulls a lot of weight with HQ, and especially someone like you...."

"Don't worry. I'll see that you don't get saddled with him permanently. Getting him out of the military is going to be the best for everyone concerned."

"Thanks, major. I really appreciate that." Relaxing a bit, the corporal said wistfully, "Any chance that we could convince him to go AWOL here, sir? It'll be small loss to us and seeing as this is his hometown...."

"Not a chance. I don't know if you've noticed, but he hates this place."

"That's too damn bad, sir."

As he headed back upstairs, Zack thought about what he had read in Cloud's personnel file. He knew that the kid had applied for the SOLDIER program and been rejected, but to be honest, Cloud never stood a chance of qualifying. The plain truth was that Cloud Strife's psyche was simply too fragile. Physically, the kid might have survived, but mentally? No way. The evaluators had summed it up nicely -- 'lacks necessary mental integrity and emotional resilance to successfully undergo conversion'. The SOLDIER process was extremely hard on people. A guy really needed to have his head screwed on straight or risk almost certain insanity.

And the kid was already at the breaking point.

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Comments
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 23rd, 2007 02:57 am (UTC) (Link)

From:WolfishSerenity

Yay! More goodies! You seem to be on quite the roll lately.
This has definitely brightened my mood.

Hmm.. definitely saw the signs of Strife in the Nibleheim COI version the first time around. xD I love the way you have the Corporal compare him to a crazy chocobo. There really isn't much difference, is there? Looks the same too. ;3

There was something about it though... I'unno, but the whole Nibleheim COI version, including this has always seemed kind of...weird to me. Not the actual events, but the way it was written. Kind of forced, and though there's plenty of action, I can never really keep focus on it for long. XD I always end up taking a break after reading through the first couple bits, read more later, then skip to near the end.
Maybe it's just because of it being written about Nibleheim. For some reason I was never really deeply interested in Nibleheim even when I played the game. O_o it was more like, get Vincent, go through the cut-scenes, beat the moster on the mountain and get the heck out.

I guess I just never liked Nibleheim. =3
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 23rd, 2007 11:42 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: From:WolfishSerenity

Ah, well, to each their own. ^_^;

I do obsess a bit about Nibelheim, because it's the point where everything changes. And given Sephiroth's and Zack's closeness in COI, it makes it especially important (to me, at least) to figure out exactly what goes wrong and the details on how and why Sephiroth turns on Zack.

That understanding is instrumental for formulating Sephiroth's thought processes and behavior in the present day story.

So Nibelheim Redux isn't essential reading for COI, but it does provide a lot of useful plot and character background. ^_^
From: (Anonymous) Date: February 24th, 2007 01:05 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: From:WolfishSerenity

O.o I suppose I should say that Nibelheim as a PLACE just never interested me.
I did find the events at Nibelheim interesting, but for some reason, because of the fact that it is (duh) Nibelheim, kind of cancels out the interestingness sometimes.
Though it's definitely important. The entire game is based off those events, really. No Nibelheim, no main character, no Psycho "Villain". But Yeah.. maybe because it's a backwoods town?

Or maybe it's just because I get sick of Strife's constant complaining through the whole thing. xD Not that it isn't important, and if it wasn't there, I'd have to say Strife would be "OOC", even if you DID create him. I really don't know WHAT exactly it is about it that just makes me stray away from the COI Nibelheim Redux.

I guess I'll leave the subject be. I'll end out pulling out my hair if I think too hard on it. That, or gnawing on my PS controller. x3
kittychan1986 From: kittychan1986 Date: February 23rd, 2007 03:22 am (UTC) (Link)
The last line sent a shiver down my spine. Cloud was really, really screwed up.

I'm curious, has the 'Cloud' we know now compeltly merged with the Zack persona, adapting memories and such to fit, or are they still three seprate entites in his head?

This was a neat snippet, can't wait to see more!
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 23rd, 2007 11:54 am (UTC) (Link)
The last line sent a shiver down my spine. Cloud was really, really screwed up.

Yes, the original Cloud Strife was a total, utter mental trainwreck. Poor boy. ::evil smirk::

I'm curious, has the 'Cloud' we know now compeltly merged with the Zack persona, adapting memories and such to fit, or are they still three seprate entites in his head?

Ah, that's a very complicated question. Strife is definitely a seperate entity at this point. In the present day, Cloud and Zack are very tightly integrated, with Cloud is the main persona people see. Zack's influence is usually manifests itself rather subtly in things like body language, combat skills, subconsicous habits, etc. In other words, Cloud thinks of himself as Cloud, he increasily behaves subconsciously like Zack.

It's a bit hard to explain. Maybe upcoming parts of Chapter 8 will explain it a little better. ^_^;;;
kittychan1986 From: kittychan1986 Date: February 23rd, 2007 07:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
So then, would Seph wish for a compelte merger as far as that goes, or for Zack to stay undilutied? *Grin*

OO, I can't wait. Vinny is going to talk to Seph...that shall be the most intresting part.
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 23rd, 2007 10:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
So then, would Seph wish for a compelte merger as far as that goes, or for Zack to stay undilutied?

That depends. Sephiroth could accept Cloud/Zack's new merged personality as a just and fair consequence of his own (Sephiroth's) misdeed. On the other hand, Sephiroth could be possessive and want his friend back intact.

Which way will Sephiroth go? That's a secret. ::evil grin::
kittychan1986 From: kittychan1986 Date: February 26th, 2007 03:57 am (UTC) (Link)
The remains of the true Cloud Persona are by now so tattered and torn they might as well not exist. It would be a matter of Zack pushing aside the last shreds of the merged personas (If he's aware of it or not) In fact, I think it might be easier by now to say simply that Cloud, whatever he could have been, died at the Manor in Hojo's care. I think Sephiroth, at the heart of it, would prefer his friend back, rather than allow the merged persona to continue. But I don't know if he will be willing to sacrifice whatever he might consider his penitence for his 'crimes'. It will be interesting to see. And if it comes down to the worst possible scenario, with Cloud having to be killed, I wonder if Seph would be able to return the favor?

Or I guess, keep his side of the promise Zack made to him.
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 26th, 2007 12:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
In fact, I think it might be easier by now to say simply that Cloud, whatever he could have been, died at the Manor in Hojo's care.

That's only partially correct. The real nail in the 'true' Cloud's coffin occurred after Nibelheim. ^_-

I think Sephiroth, at the heart of it, would prefer his friend back, rather than allow the merged persona to continue. But I don't know if he will be willing to sacrifice whatever he might consider his penitence for his 'crimes'.

Having the Zack he knew back would naturally be Sephiroth's preference. But there could be other concerns that affect his decision. ::evil grin::
soloyuymaxwell From: soloyuymaxwell Date: February 23rd, 2007 07:50 am (UTC) (Link)
Wooo~! It's 1:40am in the morning, I have to leave for work at 6:20am, and we're supposed to get snow! =_= And I'm majorly, cracked-up tired. *Thwacks her insomnia with her Super Awsome Hentai Master Frying Pan of Death Doom and Destruction* Forgive me if I don't make any sense while I type this.

Onward to happier things, like your posts! ^^ Having just read your response to my last one, I must say that I am more than pleasantly surprised that plotbunnies have come bearing you future angst. I feel so gay! ^^ *Dances happily about the living room*

As for this, yes, I do believe I've read this entire thing when you'd posted it on your site. ^^ It's just... been a while... It's not surprising to see Strife getting compared to a chocobo... XD He's got the right hair color!

Is it me or is Strife kind of turning into a game-based, insane Sephy? o.O I've noticed similarities. Granted, it happens longer than overnight, but both him and the general sport a few like-qualities. On one hand, they are both incredibly insane and hate everyone. On the other, Sephiroth wanted to destroy the planet. I'm pretty sure Strife wants to live. And while Sephiroth was "under the influence" of Jenova, so was Strife, from all that special treatment from Hojo and the happenings with Dr... Savois, was it? Ugh... I can't remember and I'm too lazy to check. Anyway, I was just wondering if that was intentional? You never said anything about that, but that doesn't always mean there isn't anything there. Then again, maybe I'm looking too into it... >.<

Another thing, *Points* HQ insisted? Oh dear... it sounds like someone in charge of a certain company might fear this little kid could be linked to him via of blackmail... From his own son! *NudgeNudge* Wouldn't that make an interesting side-story...? *Pokes* Yesh? ^^

My head hurts... >.< I wish I were a gay male! *Crawls off to take aspirin*
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 23rd, 2007 11:33 am (UTC) (Link)
Gah. Thanks for adding to the zoo. ::stares grumpily at COI-plotbunnies littering her home::

Is it me or is Strife kind of turning into a game-based, insane Sephy? o.O I've noticed similarities. Granted, it happens longer than overnight, but both him and the general sport a few like-qualities. On one hand, they are both incredibly insane and hate everyone.

There are similaries between Strife and Sephiroth, of course. They're both insane. But their type of insanity is very rather different.

Sephiroth's insanity reflects his personality. It's much more intellectual in nature -- it's more like a matter of principle than a personal vendetta. Sephiroth is cold and calculating -- he plans, plots, deals with grand schemes, etc. He's a big picture-type of madman (and no, destroying the planet wasn't his ultimate goal, but rather an unimportant side effect). Also, Sephiroth really doesn't hate everyone -- he just doesn't give a damn about most of them. Although he despises certain individuals, he's more contemptuous and scornful of humanity in general. But he doesn't hate them personally. So insane Sephiroth is ice.

In constrast, Strife's insanity is much more personal and immature in scope -- it's all about "me, me, ME!". It's childish brattiness and spitefulness taken to the nth degree. And as abundantly clear (I hope), Strife hates everyone personally. So Strife is fire.

It's like comparing... hmmm, the closest real-life comparison I can think of at the moment is Hitler and Jeffrey Dahmer. Both are definitely insane, but Hilter was grand-scheme nuts, while Dahmer was personal-gratifcation nuts. Even if you gave Dahmer Hitler's equivalent in power, I would think that he'd still be more fixiated on personal gratification than anything else. ::shrug::

That difference in insanity is important. Personally, I tend to think that dealing with Strife would be considerably harder than dealing with mad-Sephiroth. Sephiroth was ruthless, merciless, and all that, but he was also deliberate and rather rational in his own way -- he had an overall goal and most of what he did was directed at achieving that goal.

On the other hand, Strife is going to be a horribly unpredictable enemy because he's much more emotion-driven. You can't be sure from moment to moment if he's planning to blow up a city in a temper tantrum or target an individual out of sheer spite.

No question that Strife will be a troublesome enemy in COI. But that doesn't necessarily mean he's the ultimate 'boss' of the story, so to speak. After all, there is a pretty easy way of dealing with Strife....

On the other hand, the cure might be worse than the disease. ^_-

And while Sephiroth was "under the influence" of Jenova, so was Strife, from all that special treatment from Hojo and the happenings with Dr... Savois, was it? Ugh...

Jenova's influence over Strife is much more indirect than with Sephiroth. Jenova can't really coax and guide Strife into doing specific things the way she manipulated Sephiroth. Strife views Jenova as female and we all know Strife's poor opinion of females. ^_- Jenova's influence is basically limited to the fact that her cells greatly aggravate Cloud Strife's preexisting mental instability.

If not for Jenova's direct intervention, Sephiroth would probably still be reasonably sane. Strife was insane all along and Jenova only made it worse.

(cont'd)
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 23rd, 2007 11:33 am (UTC) (Link)

And while Sephiroth was "under the influence" of Jenova, so was Strife, from all that special treatment from Hojo and the happenings with Dr... Savois, was it? Ugh...

Jenova's influence over Strife is much more indirect than with Sephiroth. Jenova can't really coax and guide Strife into doing specific things the way she manipulated Sephiroth. Strife views Jenova as female and we all know Strife's poor opinion of females. ^_- Jenova's influence is basically limited to the fact that her cells greatly aggravate Cloud Strife's preexisting mental instability.

If not for Jenova's direct intervention, Sephiroth would probably still be reasonably sane. Strife was insane all along and Jenova only made it worse.

Another thing, *Points* HQ insisted? Oh dear... it sounds like someone in charge of a certain company might fear this little kid could be linked to him via of blackmail... From his own son! *NudgeNudge* Wouldn't that make an interesting side-story...? *Pokes* Yesh? ^^

If you're talking about President Shinra, he had nothing to do Cloud's assignment to the Nibelheim Incident. And why should he care if someone figures out if there's a bastard or three? In a way, it just shows off his masculine prowess, eh? It's only AFTER the Nibelheim Incident that the President gets reminded about Cloud's existence and realizes that his bastard child might be useful... but not in the way one might expect.

Just remember two things:
(1) Cloud's genetic background is important in COI;
(2) Rufus is both Cloud's cousin and half-brother by blood.

::slithers away cackling very quietly in deference to the headache::
kittychan1986 From: kittychan1986 Date: February 23rd, 2007 07:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
But Strife also shows a marked hatred for everything male. So if you had to define Strife's sexuality, how would you do it? Would he be homosexual, heterosexual, of course, whatever he is it would have to be served with a side dish of making everyone and everything around him hurt and humiliated, as he himself was? Typically, and I'm seeing this in Strife, a rapist is not raping for sexual gratification, it a power issue. Which is one of Strife's major things. he wants, he needs, to make everyone recognize him as all powerful and dangerous. Especially Tifa and Sephiroth, they hurt him, and now he wants to show them how much they hurt him.

In a way, one can almost pity him, purely because the sheer amount of suffering Cloud had to go through as a child and a young adult, to, by the time he was 16, create a splinter personality to handle all of the bad things he no longer could.
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 23rd, 2007 10:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
But Strife also shows a marked hatred for everything male. So if you had to define Strife's sexuality, how would you do it? Would he be homosexual, heterosexual, of course, whatever he is it would have to be served with a side dish of making everyone and everything around him hurt and humiliated, as he himself was?

Strife's sexuality? Hmmmm... probably aggressively heterosexual by preference, simply because he equates stereotypical brute masculinity with dominance, and therefore with power. He wants to be viewed as a 'real' man because 'real' men are powerful. He views homosexual men as weaklings who are either too chicken to deal with women or too weak to protect themselves from being screwed. So add homophobia to Strife's list of mental issues, why don't we?

Which is just another reason for Strife to hate Sephiroth and Zack, because they're freaking queers and yet have the unmitigated gall to be the strongest, most feared, and highly respected fighters around. I mean, really, imagine the nerve of those two! ^_-

However, that's not to say that Strife wouldn't resort to raping a guy in order to hurt him, but probably with objects than personally.

Typically, and I'm seeing this in Strife, a rapist is not raping for sexual gratification, it a power issue. Which is one of Strife's major things. he wants, he needs, to make everyone recognize him as all powerful and dangerous.

You're quite right -- it's all about power issues with Strife. Sex and rape are just another way for him to express dominance and power over everyone. As he sees it, in life, you're either the screwer or the screwee -- there's no in-between -- and Strife has no intention of ever being on the receiving end ever again.

Especially Tifa and Sephiroth, they hurt him, and now he wants to show them how much they hurt him.

Strife would certainly love to show them what it feels like to be hurt like he was. Ironically, unbeknownst to Strife, Sephiroth DOES know quite well, although Strife wouldn't let a puny thing like fairness stop him.

In a way, one can almost pity him, purely because the sheer amount of suffering Cloud had to go through as a child and a young adult, to, by the time he was 16, create a splinter personality to handle all of the bad things he no longer could.

I'm glad you feel that way. Even though Strife is despicable, I'm also trying to make him seem rather pitiful. That doesn't make him any less dangerous, of course.

Cloud created Strife, and then Strife eventually turned on his creator. Not surprising when you realize that Strife not only embodies all the fear, hatred, and resentment younger Cloud felt toward others, but also the self-doubt and self-hatred Cloud must have felt for himself for being too weak to stop his abuse.

The sad thing is that there were probably several points along the way when a sympathetic person or some basic human kindness may have significantly changed things. Cloud still would have been badly emotionally scarred, but he probably wouldn't have been the impending mental and emotional disaster we see in Nibelheim Redux.

By that time, it was probably too late to help Cloud, even if Zack had tried to befriend him. And once Jenova and Hojo enter the picture, the younger Cloud is pretty much doomed.
kittychan1986 From: kittychan1986 Date: February 26th, 2007 04:10 am (UTC) (Link)
What about Sephiroth, if he was ever given a chance at him? Strife is such a personal type villain. Whatever he feels would hurt more is what he would end up doing.

Which is an unfortunate side effect of the fact that he was created to take all the shit that Cloud couldn't handle anymore. Though Cloud never had a chance to grow a backbone, Strife has absolutely no idea of anything good that could happen.

In that way, I find him a most pitiable creature. You can still pity someone while accepting the danger that he represents.

One person, acting soon enough, could have stopped a great deal of this. Just someone caring enough to protect the kid, would probably have changed some of the events. I don't know what might have happened as a result of this with the Hojo mess, I am not sure.

yeah, I agree, by the time Cloud had come through basic, or even entered into the picture for Zack, it was already too late. It might have been possible for Zack to help him, but it seems like the few times Zack came into close contact with Cloud, there was no time, and nothing he could have done. In fact, the first 'time' they may have had together was when they were thrown together I the lab, and by the, it was definitely too late. Strife had hardened into a completely separate being from Cloud.
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 26th, 2007 01:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
What about Sephiroth, if he was ever given a chance at him? Strife is such a personal type villain. Whatever he feels would hurt more is what he would end up doing.

Strife is certainly wants to hurt Sephiroth as much as possible, but he's very leery of a direct confrontation. Although Strife absolutely hates Sephiroth and desperately wants to destroy him, Strife is also frankly terrified of Sephiroth, which isn't the case with anyone else. Naturally Strife refuses to admit he's scared, even to himself.

Even in that first full manifestation of Strife, when he basically trashed everyone's (including Sephiroth's) butt, that was a surprise attack. Strife hit hard and left fast. So for the moment, Strife will avoid being in close proximity with Sephiroth, and attack other targets.

Why is Strife so frightened about Sephiroth? Strife knows more about Sephiroth's true abilities than anyone -- perhaps even more than the current sane Sephiroth. While Strife is confident that he's physically stronger than Sephiroth, he's still frantic to avoid situations that would leave him vulnerable to Sephiroth's true powers.

Of course Strife will adamantly deny all of this. ^_-
kindigo From: kindigo Date: February 23rd, 2007 01:08 pm (UTC) (Link)

*meekly*

I've noticed you've suddenly become a bit more active this month.
...and while I am hopeful for the best FF7 fic I've ever read, I'd also like to ask if there's any possibility of any GW fics ever being updated again? So I can stop checking compulsively, even after the 3+ years since your site's been updated.

Even if you never update them again, I'd like to take this chance to say that every fic of yours I read (and you dragged me into the FF7 fandom with COI) I loved, and will remember (probably forever, because I'm a geek). And I'd like to thank you for them. ♥
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 23rd, 2007 10:15 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *meekly*

Argh, don't open that box of GW-fic-muses!

Honestly, all other fics are on indefinite haitus while I concentrate on trying to tame this monster of a FF7-mega-epic. So for the immediate future, don't expect any GW updates. ::hiding in hole::

I'm glad you like my other stories. And don't entirely give up hope. You never know.... ^_-
keji_eternal From: keji_eternal Date: February 23rd, 2007 01:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hey,

Well, lol... though it's always good to see something from you, I was kind of disappointed that it was something I've read before... yeah, call me impatient. Though I can't be so selfish since you have gifted us with more than I expected this week.

...To tell you the truth, I've read COI so many times, the latest time being a couple of weeks ago. I did print out all the chapters and teasers that you've had by 2000-2002. And for some reason, this Neibelheim teaser was always what I liked to read most, since I enjoyed seeing Cloud's behavior, and a more stronger Strife. Just thinking how mean he was... bad Strife. It clearly shows just how messed up the kid was at that point in time. But you know what I'm really dying for you to write about? That incident in Wallmarket in the Honey Bee's Inn... I've always been curious as to the happenings before and thereafter from that particular time.

Though Reeve's investigation gave a wide showing of it, I would still like to learn more.

But anywho...

Payback's a bi-atch. Though what happened to Hakshaw was...er... unfortunate, he kind of deserved it... well, though thinking about it, if Strife wasn't the way he was, I guess Hakshaw, along with everyone else wouldn't have bullied him so... er... ok, so maybe he didn't deserve that from anyone's point of view, except Strife's.

It's sad to see how people have the power to corrupt someone so badly. I'm glad that the village was burned to the ground... Too bad it was too late lol. And that comeback that Zack threw at Major Lockheart was just toooo sweet. I do re-read over those lines a few times while reading the whole thing.

Anyway, I'm writing overmuch I think... ^-^!

It's soo satisfying to see you in writing action Lady!!


madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 23rd, 2007 10:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
But you know what I'm really dying for you to write about? That incident in Wallmarket in the Honey Bee's Inn... I've always been curious as to the happenings before and thereafter from that particular time.

Though Reeve's investigation gave a wide showing of it, I would still like to learn more.


Sorry, I'm little confused. Are you talking about when game-Cloud was cross-dressing? Or are you referring to the incident when COI-Cloud went postal on a prostitute? Because I never specified exactly where the prostitute incident took place... at least, I don't think I did. O_o

BTW, that cross-dressing incident? That was totally Zack. It had to be. It suits his mischievious sense of humor. ^_-

Payback's a bi-atch. Though what happened to Hakshaw was...er... unfortunate, he kind of deserved it... well, though thinking about it, if Strife wasn't the way he was, I guess Hakshaw, along with everyone else wouldn't have bullied him so... er... ok, so maybe he didn't deserve that from anyone's point of view, except Strife's.

Strife has very little sense of proportion or fairness. An eye for an eye is not nearly enough. Strife wants copious amounts of interest.

It's sad to see how people have the power to corrupt someone so badly. I'm glad that the village was burned to the ground... Too bad it was too late lol. And that comeback that Zack threw at Major Lockheart was just toooo sweet. I do re-read over those lines a few times while reading the whole thing.

COI-Nibelheim is a much more hostile place than game-Nibelheim probably was, but that all goes toward the darkness of the story. Tifa's father is a pompous ass in COI, isn't he? COI-Nibelheim is basically your stereotypical isolated community which is suspicious of and very hostile toward both change and strangers. It isn't a nice place to grow up in (unless you're the precious only daughter of the most powerful man in town) and it's not a nice place to visit.

Yes, Nibelheim deserved some misfortune for its unpleasant culture. Did it deserve getting grazed to the ground and all its inhabitants massacred? ::shrug::
keji_eternal From: keji_eternal Date: February 24th, 2007 02:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
HEY!!

Well, I was talking about the COI- honey bee incident, in which cloud gets arrested and all.

lol, well, I always imagined it took place there. Everytime I read it, I always imagine it happening there... since you know... prostitute... er... hehe.

I can't help seeing everything COI way, mwahahahaha. Ok, so I guess the village didn't really deserved to burn out... but like I said, I can't help seeing things COI style.
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 24th, 2007 04:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, I was talking about the COI- honey bee incident, in which cloud gets arrested and all.

lol, well, I always imagined it took place there. Everytime I read it, I always imagine it happening there... since you know... prostitute... er... hehe.


Yes, it would make an interesting side-story and would definitely give me a chance to showcase younger COI-Cloud's increasing mental disintegration. ^_^

Two plausible setups for the incident are:
(1) Cloud goes on his own initiative in an attempt to confirm his own masculinity after being raped by other troopers.
(2) Cloud gets bullied and dared into going by the other troopers, but it's all a setup between the other troopers and the prostitute to make fun of him.

Ack! More COI-plotbunnies skittering underfoot!
__perplexity__ From: __perplexity__ Date: February 24th, 2007 12:01 am (UTC) (Link)
Something has only just clicked in my head :

How shattering will it be when COI ends???

That never occurred to me before.

I always enjoyed reading the Nibelheim pieces. As stupid as it sounds they feel almost like easter eggs ... not inthe round chocolatey kind of way, but like little secret goodies that help us fill in little gaps ...

And of course they fuel my natural NEED to unearth the backgrounds of things ^-^

(and i'm sorry if this appears 3 or 4 times, i tried to get rid of them ... bloody commenting -.-""")
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: February 26th, 2007 01:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
How shattering will it be when COI ends???

::sinister cackle::

But truthfully, while I write darkfics, I do NOT write SADfics. Things may not end up in all happiness and light, but I don't go for endings awash in horrific, tragic, gut-wrenching angst. ^_^

But that's not to say that the ride won't get rather bumpy and rough along the way. ::evilly twirling whiskers::
__perplexity__ From: __perplexity__ Date: February 27th, 2007 12:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not scared of said "horrific, tragic, gut-wrenching angst" ^-^. It's just ... it's the very same reason I both love and hate the Compilation of FFVII - I need to know more, but I'm afraid of final conclusions.

And I'm a-ready for the riiiiide!
25 hisses or Hiss in my ear....