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COI - Zack, dark and dangerous - Convolutions of an Evil Mind
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COI - Zack, dark and dangerous
Yup, yet another random COI fic drabble which I've been working on for several months.

Unbetaed and unspell-checked, so expect rampant errors and occasional incoherence. ^_^;;

Type: Final Fantasy VII - COI fic drabble
Author: madamhydra
Rating: R (profanity, mature themes)
Status: rough draft 11/08/2005
Summary: Reno goes to view his sister's body and has an very interesting discussion with Cloud, during which we find out that: (1) Zack has his own mental/emotional issues to deal with; and (2) why it's not good to get on Zack's bad side. Also, a little touch of Strife here and there. ^_^

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The Shinra Mansion and the Reactor at Nibelheim couldn't be left unguarded, especially the Mansion with all its secrets. On the other hand, stationing a full-sized military garrison in the town itself didn't seem a good idea, either. Aside from attracting undesirable attention, Reeve didn't like the idea of so many strangers wandering around a place that held way too many dangerous secrets.

They were only now beginning to realize just how important the research complex at Nibelheim was. It wasn't the facility's physical size that proved the most intimidating, but the sheer volume of research conducted. The place was much larger than any of them first expected, with at least three full basement levels underneath the Shinra Mansion, and possibly more. Individually, each level wasn't that large, but when added together, there was more than enough space for all sorts of depraved experiments. And there were plenty of those sorts of experiments with often seven or eight projects running simultaneously.

And every sickening, disgusting square foot would have to be searched, documented, and picked over for clues, because the secrets lurking beneath the Shinra Mansion could very well spell the difference between victory or defeat, survival or disaster, in their inevitable confrontation with Hojo and the newly resurrected Jenova-CORE. It promised to be a horrible but necessary task, one that no one deserved, especially Cloud, Vincent, and Tifa. Surely Nibelheim held enough painful associations without adding even more. But there was no question that somebody had to do it, and soon.

The situation was further complicated by the lack of reliable information about the laboratory and its activities. Between all the various deadly incidents -- Sephiroth's rampages through Nibelheim and Shinra HQ, the summoning of Meteor, just to name a few -- many of the Nibelheim lab staff were either dead or missing. And of the survivors who could be located, most were extremely reluctant to talk. Many remained silent from guilt, fear, greed, or most likely a mixture of all the above.

However, with the application of a few incentives and a little judicious pressure, the few ex-staffers Reeve managed to locate became a little more cooperative. What he learned only reinforced his initial impressions of that horrid place.

However, at the moment Reeve's main concern was to secure Nibelheim and make sure that Hojo didn't run off with more equipment or data.

Reeve couldn't blame the military for its lack of enthusiasm to take on this mission. The scene of multiple bloody massacres, a town twice burnt and razed to the ground -- if there was a place that could be said to be god-forsaken and accursed, Nibelheim was it. And yet through all the carnage and fire, the Shinra Mansion had somehow survived, hiding an seemingly endless series of dark, gruesome secrets. It was enough to make even the most hardened, unimaginative trooper nervous and skittish.

He eventually settled on setting up a guard perimeter around the whole area and blocking access to the town center and the Mansion. Fortunately, the rough terrain made that task relatively easy. The Nibel Mountains were nearly inaccessible by ground, except by a narrow, barely passable road on one side and a hazardous passageway through convoluted, monster-infested caverns on the other. Unpredictable mountain winds made an aerial approach tricky under the best conditions, and downright suicidal at night or bad weather. Even Hojo had lost close to a quarter of his monsters during his recent raid on Nibelheim to such environmental hazards even before reaching the town. Not that Hojo cared, of course.

The security perimeter wasn't a perfect solution, by any means. Reeve doubted that conventional forces could do much against a serious attack by Hojo's minions, but at least they could keep the more mundane intruders away in addition to watching for any suspicious activity.

But even as he sent out his orders, Reeve couldn't help wondering about the missing Nibelheim staffers. Were they actually dead or merely hiding? And if they were hiding, why?

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Reno didn't bother to turn around as Cloud and Tifa stepped onto the deck of the Highwind II. As they approached, he merely said, "I want to see my sister."

"Are you sure?" Cloud said quietly.

"Yeah, I'm sure."

"But why put yourself through something like that?" Tifa said. Despite her usual antipathy toward the Turks, and this Turk in particular, she couldn't help feeling sorry for Reno. "She's dead and Hojo's responsible. Isn't it enough?"

Reno turned sharply.

"No, it isn't," he snapped curtly. The Turk pushed himself away from the railing and shoved his hands deeper into his pockets. "This is something I need to see with my own eyes. She was my sister. My TWIN sister."

Tifa looked away, clearly unsure how to deal with a Reno who was clearly hurting.

Cloud noticed that Reno was looking at him with a hard, angry gleam in his green eyes, although he was pretty sure that he wasn't the target of that anger. The Turk claimed that he wanted to 'see' his sister, but Cloud doubted that was the whole truth. However, since Reno obviously wasn't in the mood to discuss the topic further in Tifa's presence, Cloud didn't pursue the issue.

He nodded slightly, acknowledging Reno's unspoken request/demand, and merely said, "All right. I'll tell Reeve to notify the guards."

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After arriving above Nibelheim, the airship hovered above the closest patch of level ground and dropped a ladder. Once down, Cloud and his companions gazed at the still smouldering ruins of the town before splitting up to handle their individual tasks. Over various and occasionally vigorous objections, Reno and Cloud were going into the Mansion alone. The Turk made it abundantly plain that he did not want anyone else, least of all Tifa, hanging over his shoulder during what promised to be a deeply personal and painfully emotional experience. He had even firmly rejected the company of his fellow Turks.

Cloud had not objected to Reno's demands. He knew that Reno had tons of questions and the Turk deserved answers. Whether Cloud could give the other man the answers that Reno both wanted and needed remained to be seen, but Cloud was willing to try. He was all too familiar with this particular sort of emotional loss, and the hatred, rage, but perhaps more importantly, the guilt that went along with it.

Under normal circumstances, the Turk probably would have shrugged off his kidnapping as just another occupational hazard, and billed Reeve accordingly for it. But what Hojo did to Reno's sister pushed things to an entirely different level. Screw professional detachment -- this was now -personal-, as in the 'I want to slowly eviscerate my enemy with my bare hands and stomp their guts into the ground with a sadistic grin' type of personal.

Cloud could sympathize entirely with that sentiment, especially in regard to Hojo. And because of that feeling, he was prepared to go back into the Mansion and sift through his fractured, nightmarish memories.

Curiously, the two other people who were most directly and personally affected by Hojo's activities in the Mansion -- Vincent and Sephiroth -- had been notably silent during the sometimes intense discussion about their proposed visit to the Mansion's basement labs. Vincent continued to be lost in his own dark, brooding thoughts. Sephiroth didn't even attempt to invite himself along, most likely because he knew what everyone's reaction to that idea would be. He had merely given Cloud a long thoughtful stare before turning his attention back to the status reports on the various WEAPONs.

Cloud and Reno said nothing to each other as they walked through the square, past the charred wreckage of the town's solitary inn, stepped over the twisted remnants of the Mansion's heavy iron gate, then finally mounted the stairs to its front door. Side by side, they shoved open the heavy double doors and entered. Ignoring the stench and the stains left by the most recent massacre, they descended down the rickety wooden spiral into the basement. Finally, they stood outside the newly uncovered doorway that led to the Project B laboratory.

"Are you ready for this?" Cloud said, glancing at the Turk.

Reno took a deep breath, bracing himself for the sights to come. Rude and Elena had done their best to prepare him for what lay behind those seeming innocuous lab doors, but Cloud's grim expression warned him that nothing could adequately describe what he was about to see. He rolled his shoulders and neck slightly, as if preparing himself for battle, then replied with stony determination.

"Yeah. Let's do it."

Cloud nodded, then pushed open the door.

They stepped through the antechamber, with its sinister steel examination tables. Reno's lips thinned at the sight of the obviously well-used restraints and at the overwhelming clinical coldness of the place, but he said nothing.

One last set of doors and they stood in the center of Hojo's grotesque collection of corpses. His suspicions were right -- mere words could not do justice to the hideous reality of that chamber and its sickening display of maternal and fetal bodies. Reno stared silently at the rows of paired specimen cylinders lining its walls, each dimly lit from within and glowing like obscene floor lamps. When his gaze settled on the tube containing the body of his sister, Reno took two quick involuntary steps toward it, then abruptly stopped.

The two men said nothing for a very long time as Reno stood and stared at Regis' pale, naked, mutilated body. The silence was only broken by the faint hum from the scattered equipment and Reno's harsh breathing hissing from between clenched teeth.

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Cloud backed up several steps, giving the Turk the time and the space the other man needed to get a grip on his seething emotions. He certainly wouldn't blame Reno if the other man took out his frustration in an explosive display of fury, just as Vincent had. But no matter how momentarily satisfying it would be to wreck huge chunks of Hojo's laboratory, that sort of physical destruction wouldn't accomplish anything meaningful. It wouldn't bring Reno's sister back to life and it would do little, if any, harm to Hojo.

If simply blowing up this damn Mansion could bring the dead back to life and/or really fuck Hojo over, he would have done it a long, long time ago, and to hell with escaping....

Cloud was relieved to see that Reno seemed to share his view on the subject. Despite what people said about redheads and short tempers, Reno was not letting his anger control him. He was doing the opposite. Instead of letting his temper explode and wreaking unproductive havoc, the Turk was channeling his rage into something more useful. Cloud knew that type of hatred intimately -- hatred that was cold, deadly, relentless, and if need be, endlessly patient.

Back at the weapons plant, he had wanted, just like Vincent, to stay behind and hunt down Hojo, to gut the sick bastard once and for all. But the situation had simply been too chaotic, with too many ways that Hojo could slip through his fingers. If he had been alone, he might taken that risk, gambling that he could find Hojo before the bastard escaped or before the entire cliff collapsed on his head.

But he hadn't been alone, and he wasn't prepared to carelessly endanger his friends's lives merely to satisfy his own hunger for revenge. They would all have plenty of opportunities to risk their lives without taking stupidly reckless chances. Besides, he wasn't that desperate. Not at this point of the game, anyway. He would get another chance at Hojo. Cloud was sure of it.

So he leaned back against a wall and gave Reno the opportunity to deal somewhat with both the reality of his sister's fate and his own emotions. But to be honest, Cloud needed the time to steady himself, as well.

This place played havoc with his self-control, and his emotions and reactions became almost frighteningly unpredictable. There were too many horrific memories here. They assaulted him continually, like a neverending horde of skeletal fingers clawing at the edges of his mind. It didn't matter how fragmented and jumbled those memories were. They didn't need to make sense to tie his guts in knots or leave him feeling sick and shaken to the core.

The best he could strive for was a precarious state of numbness that would hopefully keep those memories at bay long enough so he could function and do whatever was necessary.

And yet, despite knowing how badly this hellhole affected him, Cloud had still agreed to accompany Reno and do his best to answer the Turk's questions... if he could. He had been partially motivated by his sympathy for Reno, but there had been another reason for wanting to have a long, private talk with the Turk. If only he could remember what it was....

Finally, Reno broke the silence and spoke in a voice that was very close to his usual drawling, nonchalant tone.

"Now I know why that mother-fucker always had that sly, shit-faced smirk on his face every time we bumped into each other."

Cloud nodded grimly. "Yeah, Hojo definitely gets off on those sort of sick secrets. Knowledge is his favorite toy and his favorite weapon, all rolled into one."

"Speaking of knowledge...."

".... you want to know what really happened to your sister," Cloud finished.

Reno whirled to face Cloud and growled, "Don't you think I have a right to know?"

"As Tifa said, she's dead and Hojo's responsible. That's a fairly accurate summary of the situation," Cloud murmured.

"It's not enough." Reno grinned -- a feral, mirthless baring of teeth. "Normally, I'm not the sort of guy who sweats the details. But this time, it's personal. As personal as it fucking well gets. So deal with it. I want to know what happened here so I can take payment out of Hojo's scaly, bug-eyed hide, with mucho interest added."

"There are other people who have claims on Hojo's hide. Vincent, for one."

Reno shrugged carelessly. "I'm sure the two of us can work something out."

With a sigh, Cloud said, "Look, if you're looking for hard facts, I'm not sure I can give them to you. To be honest, my memory of this place is a unholy mess -- how much was real, how much hallucination, and how much outright dementia, I can't tell you. You'd be better off pumping one of Hojo's former lab drones for information. I'm sure Reeve has got a few under lock and key by now."

Reno pinned him with a hard stare. "Yeah, maybe I'll do that. But they can't give me what you can."

"A look from inside the cage?" Cloud said with a derisive snort. "If that's what you want, you'd still be better off talking to someone else. Try Red or Vincent. They both know what it's like to be one of Hojo's experimental subjects, and their memories are lot more coherent than mine. Hell, you've even had first-hand experience yourself."

"Don't remind me. But that's not what I'm looking for." Reno began pacing restlessly, back and forth in front of that long row of glowing specimen cylinders.

As he watched the Turk's feline-like prowl, Cloud wondered at his own perversity. He had already decided to tell Reno everything he could about Hojo and Project B. He had made that decision back onboard the Highwind II when Reno had first demanded to see his sister's body. So why was he now playing coy?

Digging through his memories would be ugly and painful. He knew that, but he had been fully prepared to do it. Or at least he -thought- he had been prepared. Was he being stubborn out of cowardice, fearful of what he might remember?

No, that wasn't it. Somewhere deep inside him, Cloud knew he had the answers that Reno wanted. It was simply a matter of getting the Turk to ask the right question.

The right question?

Annoyed and impatient with himself, Cloud said bluntly, "Then tell me, what's really eating at you, Reno? Besides the fact that Hojo kidnapped your sister, used her for his twisted experiments, and eventually killed her, either directly or indirectly."

"Damn right there's more," Reno growled through gritted teeth. His steps quickened and his hands clenched, as if digging into an imaginary throat.

As Reno continued to pace with increasing ferocity, Cloud braced himself for the impending explosion, either verbal or physical. Soon enough, the Turk abruptly skidded to a halt, then whirled to face Cloud and yelled, "But most of all, I want to know WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T I KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT!?"

So that was it.

On the surface, it seemed like a rather stupid question. How could Reno have possibly known? Highly classified research projects were supposed to be... well, highly classified. They were run on a strict, need-to-know basis, and a mere Turk didn't need to know. And while Hojo was a sadistic, megomaniacal bastard, the scientist still had a very healthy sense of self-preservation. However he might gloat about the exploit privately, Hojo would have taken great care to keep Regis Donovan's kidnapping and her resultant fate a secret, especially in view of Reno's formidable and notorious reputation.

But Cloud felt a deeply sympathetic twinge when he heard Reno's question and the barely controlled anguish accompanying it. The question seemed to resonate and echo inside him, as if in some murky corner of his mind, he had asked himself essentially the same, equally heart-wrenching question over and over again.

//Why didn't I realize something was WRONG?//

It was that sympathetic twinge that prodded Cloud into sifting through memories he would much rather leave alone. Almost absently, he said, "The two of you were very close, right?"

In mid-step, Reno froze and gave Cloud a slightly startled look, as if he hadn't expected Cloud to actually pursue the issue.

"Yeah, we were. She was the only member of my family that I could stand." The Turk paused, then added, almost reluctantly. "The only one who accepted me as I am."

"And you were in the habit of 'picking up' things from her. I've heard that it's not uncommon with twins," Cloud continued in the same thoughtful, slightly distracted tone.

Reno shrugged and said, "It wasn't like we were telepathic or anything like that. But yeah, I usually knew if something major happened to her. An accident, a bad scare, that sort of thing. Otherwise, she was just... there." He gestured vaguely, then looked away, obviously uncomfortable with discussing a very personal and very private subject.

"And then she wasn't."

"That's why I never doubted that she was dead, that she had died in that big train wreck." He whipped around to glare at Cloud. "I just KNEW. She wasn't 'there' anymore." He flung up his hands in exasperation. "Hell, it sounds crazy, but I can't begin to explain it!"

"You don't need to," Cloud said evenly. "I understand perfectly." He knew exactly how it felt to lose that sort of intimate connection to another person. He knew how much it hurt to reach out and only encounter cold, echoing emptiness instead of a familiar, comforting presence. Both of them had experienced that loss, the pain of having such a bond severed. But unlike Reno, HE had been the one to do the severing. Not just once, not just twice, but three times, with his own bloody hands.

He could only hope that there wouldn't be a fourth time....

Reno stared at Cloud for a long moment, his green eyes narrowing thoughtfully, then looked relieved that he don't have to spell everything out in embarassing detail. Instead, he waved his hand at the tube containing his sister's body. "I was so fucking SURE. And then I find out about this! And I didn't know a damn thing!?" He glared around, looking for some way to vent his anger and frustration. He settled for kicking a broken corner of desk hard across the room.

At the same time, Cloud was concentrating, straining to remember something about Project B, about its subjects. What was it about those subjects and the idea of not knowing, not feeling, of being unaware? And why did that combination make him feel both coldly furious and horribly bitter? Slowly, like a man picking his way over dangerously unstable ground, Cloud said, "Given everything you've told me, I think your ignorance of your sister's fate is actually a good sign."

"And how do you figure that?" Reno snapped.

"Because it would mean that she didn't feel a thing Hojo did to her. Which makes her one of the lucky ones. One of the very lucky ones."

Reno stared blankly at him.

Cloud continued in that same deliberate tone even as his head began to throb painfully, "He tried drugs to keep them pacified, but that didn't work. Tried brain surgery, but that's still not enough. To hell with it, why not take the process to its logical conclusion?"

He abruptly went still, then stared up at the preserved corpse of Regis Donovan. In a hoarse whisper, he said, "Reno, you felt your sister die because she DID die. At least the part of her that mattered died."

When Reno scowled in angry confusion, Cloud said, "Brain dead." The pounding in his head grew stronger as he stared at Reno. "And no, not because of the train wreck. AFTER the wreck. And it was no accident."

Somehow, as soon as he uttered those last three sentences, Cloud knew that they were not mere speculation or wild guesses. He KNEW. Somewhere in his head he could hear the echo of Hojo's insufferably smug, snide voice boasting how he had solved the niggling problem with the host subjects of Project B, and other things, like how he, Hojo, had acquired a particularly fine red-haired specimen for his project. And how that woman would make excellent breeding stock for more potential Sephiroths....

Cloud sagged back against the wall and fought down the urge to vomit.

"Are you trying to tell me that Hojo deliberately destroyed my sister's mind and then used her body as a living incubator?" Reno's voice was terrifyingly flat.

Cloud took a few deep breaths, then met the Turk's burning stare. "That's exactly what happened. Now do you understand what Hojo and his sort are capable of doing in the name of 'science'?"

"Brain dead," Reno said in the same cold, utterly flat tone.

"Or close enough to not matter," Cloud said curtly. "When you think about it, it's a near-perfect solution to an annoying problem." In a viciously accurate mimicry of Hojo's pretentious speech patterns, Cloud continued, "After all, there's nothing not more irritating or inconvenient than having one of your host subjects kill herself off in the eighth or ninth month of pregnancy. This way, there's no need to deal with a hysterical, hormonal female who might injure herself, or more importantly the valuable specimen growing inside her."

"And you call my sister one of the LUCKY ones?" the Turk snarled softly, anger finally working its way back into his voice.

Something dark and ugly inside Cloud seethed, then suddenly boiled over. "She was a fucking lot luckier than -I- was," he snarled back. "Be grateful for small favors. At least your sister was blissfully unaware of what was happening to her."

/Lucky bitch./

He pushed away from the wall and slowly stalked toward Reno, fists clenching.

"I would've begged.... Hell, I DID beg to be that fortunate, to no longer be able to think, feel, or remember anything. To simply stop existing! Begged, pleaded, grovelled, you name it! I would have given anything, done anything, to be a total vegetable, to be in the same comfortably mindless state your sister was in! So yeah, from my point of view, that makes her one of the lucky ones!"

He stood with his chest heaving and throat burning as the memories rampaged through his head, memories of when pure agony made rational thought impossible, when one's sense of self evaporated, leaving only maddened desperation, hatred, and envy....

Cloud's muscles quivered with a nearly overwhelming urge to lash out nearest convenient target -- in this case, Reno. He fought back the murderous impulse, forcing himself to step back, turn, and simply walk away.

Minutes ticked by as the two of them silently wrestled their rioting emotions into some fragile semblance of order. Finally, Reno said tightly, "You have a point. It could have been worse. At least she didn't suffer."

Cloud took a few deep, shuddering breaths before speaking. Without turning to look at Reno, he said, "It doesn't make what Hojo did any less horrible or vile. Believe me, he didn't do it out of any twisted sense of mercy. He only did it because he HAD to. I can guarantee that Hojo would have much rather preferred to keep those women conscious and very much aware of their condition."

"Why? Just to watch them suffer?" Reno said in utterly disgusted tones.

Cloud laughed bitterly. "You've got it all wrong. Hojo and his cronies are 'scientists'. He used a sharp flick of two gloved fingers to accentuate the sarcasm. "Every sick perverse thing they do, every torture they inflict, every atrocity they commit, is solely for the sake of their research." He grinned fiercely when he saw Reno's frown. "Don't you get it? Conscious subjects give better feedback. Every bit of data is potentially useful, even if it only consists of agonized screams or snivelling whimpers."

Any hint of amusement, however savagely mocking, disappeared from Cloud's voice as he continued in softer, but no less fierce tones, "That's what they tell you, what they tell each other. But it's all a fucking lie, of course. They hurt you because they CAN. Because there's nothing more intoxicating than having total control over another living being. To make them into your toy or plaything. To literally become your victim's GOD.

Silence settled over them again as Reno's gaze moved slowly around the room, taking in the other specimen chambers and their gruesome contents, especially the hideously deformed fetuses.

"Were all of them like that? Brain dead, like my sister?" Reno's voice was even, but the strain of keeping it that way was obvious.

"The ones here probably were. Otherwise, their pregnacies wouldn't have made it this far."

"Why not?" Reno couldn't stop himself from asking.

"Because the earlier subjects knew what was happening to them." Cloud glanced over at the Turk. "Think about what it means to be utterly violated that way, to have something -other- forced inside you. Something that you know doesn't belong there. Something abnormal and unspeakably alien. And what's worse, you can feel it growing stronger, feel it slowly taking you over in both body and mind. Every instinct is screaming for you to get rid of it any way you can, even if it means ripping open your own flesh with your bare hands."

As Cloud spoke, Reno found himself staring once again at the fetuses accompanying each woman's corpse. These creatures were the result of failed experiments, the by-products of Hojo's mad quest to breed a new Sephiroth. Some of the things looked vaguely human, although with too many or not enough limbs, sensory organs or heads. But others were the spawn of some drug addict's nightmare, a demented mishmash of mammalian, reptilian, and even insect-like traits that included fur, scales, claws, spines, and even tentacles. The idea of those alien monstrosities growing inside these poor women's bodies -- inside Regis's body -- nearly made him retch.

Reno managed, "Yeah, I can see that suicide would be a fucking attractive option."

Cloud smiled coldly, "Oh, it is. But not nearly as easy as you would think, once one's been infected with Jenova cells. The mind might be willing, but the body isn't." He absently rubbed his right wrist. "But with enough persistence and enough opportunities, a lot of the Project B subjects succeeded. Then again, those women weren't nearly as heavily modified as other experimental subjects."

"Like yourself?" Reno said quietly.

"Like myself."

"You said something earlier about drugs and... brain surgery?"

"Hojo tried to stop the self-multilation and suicide attempts with around-the-clock monitoring and intimidation. That was a complete fiasco. He tried physical restraints. He even tried total paralysis."

"How did... no, I don't think I want to know," Reno muttered.

"Trust me, you don't," Cloud said grimly. "But those methods only made things worse. Something to do with emotional stress and body chemistry. The presence of Jenova cells made the use of drugs too unpredictable. So Hojo tried to reduce the stress by lobotomizing some of the women."

Reno flinched involuntarily.

"But it seemed even the slightest degree of self-awareness was enough to cause 'fetal rejection syndrome', as Hojo called it." Cloud shrugged. "So he took the next logical step and eliminated the host's mind altogther. It worked."

"But why did Hojo pick my sister!?" Reno yelled, slamming his fist against the wall. "Of all the fucking women on this damn planet!"

"Because she had all the intellectual and physical attributes Hojo was looking for his Sephiroth replacement, or at least the genes for them. As Shinra's director of scientific research, Hojo had plenty of opportunities to scout out promising candidates for Project B."

That made a horrible sort of sense to Reno. Both brains and looks certainly ran in his family.

"Hojo probably had his eyes on your sister for a long time. The train accident just provided a convenient opportunity to grab her."

Reno hissed, "Son of a.... The last time I saw her, Regis mentioned something about a new job involving Hojo...." He suddenly paused, then slowly turn to look at Cloud with an expression that was half bafflement, half dark suspicion.

"Wait a fucking moment. All this happened when you were supposed to a prisoner here. So how the -hell- do you know so much!?"

Startled by the abrupt challenge, Cloud stared blankly at Reno for a moment. How had he known so much about Project B? A sudden sharp pang ran through his skull, making him gasp and wince.

"I'm not... sure. I heard people talk about..." His head began to throb again. "No, wait...." He massaged his forehead with both hands, then looked up at Reno.

"It was Hojo. Hojo told me himself."

Anger boiled up inside Cloud again, but a very different sort from his earlier outburst at Reno. This time it was icy and ferociously controlled.

"I'm not sure when, or even why, but I can remember listening to him boast about it. He lied about a lot of things, but not about this. He was so fucking -proud- of his 'perfect' solution to the problem. So he talked. And all I could do was... listen."

....trapped in a cage, listening to Hojo ramble on and on, forced to hide his utter loathing behind a mask of cool indifference, knowing that the slightest show of distress or outrage would make him dangerously vulnerable....

Reno stared long and hard at Cloud, then suddenly said, "Hold it. So you're telling me that my sister didn't feel a damn thing while Hojo was experimenting on her -- thank god for small favors! But back there at the weapons plant, Hojo made it sound like...."

Cloud smiled grimly. "....like your sister had suffered all sorts of horrible degradation and torture at his hands." He smiled nastily. "I hate to break it to you, but Hojo lied. He lied just to twist the knife and make you feel like shit. He couldn't make your sister suffer -- although I'm sure he would've loved to -- so he tried to make you suffer instead."

Reno snarled, deep and low, in his throat. "That filthy...." He stopped, unable to come up with a suitably vile epithet.

"Consider this. If he can conceive and carry out something this horrific on his own initiative, imagine what he's capable of doing now."

"But what the hell does he want? To become a fucking god or what?"

"Nothing that simple. Hojo seems to be more interested in creating a god than in becoming one himself. I don't know. Maybe it makes him feel superior to a mere god, the power behind the throne, so to speak," Cloud said with a shrug. "He's totally insane, so who knows what's the bastard's thinking."

"I got your point." Reno tapped his Nightstick thoughtfully on his shoulder, then added, "You know, in my line of work, I have encountered my own share of wackos, maybe even one or two with delusions of godhood." He glanced over his shoulder at Cloud. "But this is the first time I've run into someone who could possibly pull it off... or make one huge fucking mess while trying."

"Hojo's the worst, certainly, and the biggest danger at the moment. But remember this. He didn't do this alone. He had plenty of help. People who didn't just stand by, but who actively aided and abetted him in these atrocities. People who thought up and carried out experiments that were just as horrific, if not more so. And they're still out there. Hiding, maybe, but still out there."

In a low, intense voice, Cloud continued, "They're monsters who cause untold misery and suffering. They are the true enemy. Never forget that, Reno. No one and nothing is safe as long as Hojo and his kind exist. No matter what it takes, no matter how long it takes. THEY ALL HAVE TO DIE."

Reno stared at Cloud for a long moment. There was no mistaking the anger in the other man's voice. But while Cloud's earlier outburst had been a flash of hot rage, like a smouldering volcano teetering on the verge of eruption, this anger was totally different in its cold deliberate ferocity. It was an anger that was both deeply personal, but at the same time, chillingly detached.

"You really, really hate these guys, don't you?"

Cloud's lips curled into a feral little grin and said pleasantly, "Oh, you have NO idea how much I loathe Hojo and his kind. But don't feel bad. I've had a lot more practice at it than you have."

In a detached corner of his mind, Cloud was aware that he probably sounded like some sort of nutcase himself. But at the moment, he couldn't quite bring himself to care. It felt good to be able to be totally candid with someone for a change.

Reno wasn't stupid. Cloud was talking about cold-bloodedly hunting down and exterminating of not just Hojo, but Hojo's like-minded collegues.

Reno was cool with that.

"You are one ruthless son of a bitch." There was no hint of criticism in Reno's voice, only a mixture of mild surprise and wary respect.

Cloud's lips curled upward. For an instant, the glowing blue mako eyes and the brief flash of teeth exposed by the cold, wolfish grin made it seem as if a great predatory beast had materialized in the gruesome chamber.

"Thanks."

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Strife felt the already damaged barrier weaken further. He pounded hard against it and felt a savage exultation as a few more cracks appeared and others widened.

Yes....

How long had he been trapped in this limbo? How long had it been since he had been forced to retreat to this refugue-now-prison, betrayed by the very person who owed him the most. Hadn't he coddled, protected, and humored the snivelling brat Cloud at every turn? But instead of gratitude for getting rid of Zack, the ungrateful little beast had stabbed him in the back.

HE had been the one to take the risks, who dared to turn thought and desire into action. And when he had done his best to save the moron from getting totally taken over by that asshole Zack, the pathetic whiner had turned on him, even tried to eradicate and utterly obliterate him....

And HE got called a selfish, murderous monster?

But he had managed to survive. He was a born survivor. Driven to the deepest, darkest recesses of a broken mind, it had taken him a long time to recover and regroup, to pull the scattered remnants of himself back together. But by the time he succeeded, he no longer had a way out. His hiding place had become a prison. And to add insult to injury, the obstacle blocking his way to freedom was the very thing he had tried to destroy.

Zack.

THAT has been the most galling part, to know that the miserable, boot-licking loser has chosen ZACK, of all people, over him!

But why should that surprise him? EVERYONE liked Zack better, even Sephiroth....

A chill touched him. No. He didn't want to deal with Sephiroth right now. Not before he was ready. The last thing he wanted to do right now was attract Sephiroth's attention. Not until he was free and could protect himself.

But how to get out? He had searched long and hard for a chink in the barrier that kept him sealed away for so long, that prevented him from taking what was rightfully his. He knew there had to be weak spots. The trick was to find them.

In the beginning he had found only few cracks, small and temporary. But recently, the barrier had weakened. He had suspected that it had something to do with that Jenova bitch coming back to life. The gaps had grown wider, giving him opportunities where he could slip out, however briefly.

But those measely slivers of stolen time weren't nearly enough. He wanted it all. He DESERVED it all. He didn't want to spend the rest of his existence trapped in some dark, obscure corner of Cloud's mind, ignored and forgotten.

The barrier that kept him from taking rightful control of Cloud's body had taken a hell of a hit when Jenova-CORE had reared her ugly head, but it had held. And despite all the damage, his continued assaults and now the steady erosion caused by Jenova-CORE's awakening, the barrier still remained strong.

But it was getting weaker. Unstable. Vulnerable to attack.

He had the perfect ammunition to bring down dear old Zack. Now it was simply a matter of finding the right opportunity.

He would be free again. And once free, he would take care of the final and most serious threat.

Sephiroth.

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bard_linn From: bard_linn Date: November 9th, 2005 04:18 am (UTC) (Link)
asdfajkldsfja *brain breaks*

<3333333333333333333

More thoughtful comment when I can process this all. But DAMN is that a good plot twist!
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 05:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks! ::offers superglue for brain:: ^_-
bard_linn From: bard_linn Date: January 11th, 2006 01:06 am (UTC) (Link)
I’m pretty sure I promised a bit more in depth review of this so here goes.

I love how you add detail to the Shinra mansion and the sheer reach of the project. It’s hard to tell exactly where it begins and ends in your world. It’s amazing how you manage to pull it off so well. I can see it fitting into canon perfectly.

The odd bond between Cloud and Reno here is intriguing. Especially with the understanding of mental connections thing. I really like it and hope we see more of it in the future.

Your take on Cloud’s stability here with the memories of Hojo is different than often seen and perhaps more real. He’s not really in control and is barely holding his own. It works wonderfully here, though I’m not sure how many others could have pulled it off in the situation.

I particularly like how you talk about the scientist wanting live specimens for feedback – or becoming a god, take your pick. You ability to see from multiple viewpoints is astounding.

Strife is an idiot in some ways. He really is an angst ridden teen. And he’s going to put his hand in the fire, I can see it now. *shakes head*
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madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 05:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
Strife is definitely up to no good. ::sound of sharpening combat knife::
fontech From: fontech Date: November 9th, 2005 06:28 am (UTC) (Link)
RAWR, ZACK!

I really liked it, ^_^ It's always a treat to dig deep into the minds of the FF7 boys, and you always end up doing a wonderful job. As a Zack fangirl I must commend your ability to make me squiggle every time he's mentioned. But now I worry about him, ;.; down with Strife - Zack!Cloud is the best kind! >.>

Gotta feel sorry for Reno. Geez, poor guy, he's just not used to this stuff. And as much as it freaks me out, I do so love Cloud's psychotic moments. It makes the fic all the more delicious with all the crossing mentalities and motives... you're a genius and I don't know how you do it. ♥

I really hope you stay inspired - it's a real treat to get a taste of good quality FFVII fanfiction, considering all the crap that's out there. I wish you luck! ^_^
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 06:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
You're right about Reno. Prior to all this, he wasn't aware of the depths of Hojo's depravity.

If one was the suspicious, paranoid sort, one might think that Zack agreed to accompany Reno and tell him all about what happened to his sister in delightfully gruesome detail in order to show Reno just how vile their mutual enemies (Hojo and his ilk) are and how the filthy scum should be handled....

Interesting recruitment tactic, no? ::significant eyebrow waggle::
fontech From: fontech Date: November 10th, 2005 08:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
.....

I love Zack. Just... there are no words for how much I love your Zack, XD He can be sneaky that way. I write him as being a lot less ruthless and more joking, but I seem to love both interpretations of him anyway... it's amusing.

I have a question, and you don't have to answer it, obviously, but... in an earlier chapter, Red XIII mentioned a materia that could help Cloud with his memories. Was this an idly mentioned thing or are you planning to use this in the future? Because it sounds so intriguing...
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 08:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
The COI Zack is no saint. And if one insists on considering him an angel, then he's could very well be called the dark angel of death. This is a person who has no qualms against assassinating a pregnant woman and instigating a bloody clan war to achieve his goal (i.e., the quick end to the Wutai war). He did it for Sephiroth's sake, but that doesn't make it any less ruthless, calculated, or cold-blooded. Strife would stab you in the back in a dark alley out of pure spite. Zack would do the exact same thing if he considered you an obstacle.

So you see, the phrase "Sephiroth's Shadow" has lots of layers of meaning with respect to Zack. Let's just say that Zack doesn't mine getting his hands dirty if necessary to protect the people (or person) he cares about.

Was this an idly mentioned thing or are you planning to use this in the future? Because it sounds so intriguing...

::strikes pompous pose:: Nothing is idly mentioned!

::snicker:: I've heard people say the same thing about J.K. Rowling. ^_-

Seriously, though, it's not entirely a throw-away line. It's more of a potential plot thread I've considered but haven't quite decided on using.
artimusdin From: artimusdin Date: November 9th, 2005 06:39 am (UTC) (Link)
*squeaks incoherently* That's.. just... Eeeee! So happy to find this after getting back from work. *happy sigh*
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 06:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
Glad you enjoyed it! ::offers Reno-shaped cookies::
mimi_sardinia From: mimi_sardinia Date: November 9th, 2005 10:57 am (UTC) (Link)
Oooooooooooooooooooh! Shiiiiiiiney!

I finally got around going and reading the first seven chapter of CoI and frankly I'm glad to know you're writing for it again, it's a damn good story.

O.O
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 06:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes, it's been a while, with all the distractions -- so many pretty, shiny series and games out there! -- but I'm trying my best to get back to writing again.
naanima From: naanima Date: November 9th, 2005 11:49 am (UTC) (Link)
ZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

I'm so glad you are touching on Zack's anger issues! I can picture Vincent, Cloud and Reno forming a Hunting Party. For some reason the mind breaks every time I try to picture Sephiroth as part of the party. He seem to be the type to Hunt Alone.

But GLEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Also very worried about Cloud because Strife is really, really, really vindictive. But I'm really happy you have decided to finally touch on the Strife/Zack=Cloud relationship. ^_^

Contemplating living at your lj in case you update more of COI.
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 06:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, everyone's main concern for the moment is Jenova. Besides, when they find Jenova, they will probably find Hojo.

Actually, I can see Vincent going it alone. He already had signficant guilt issues from Lucrecia, and the new revelations about Project B may have sent him a bit over the edge. ::ponder::

Yes, Zack does have anger issues. You see, as I worked on this drabble, I came to the conclusion that Zack could not have escaped Nibelheim emotionally unscathed.

I suppose that it was inevitable considering that Zack was locked up, poked, prodded, experimented on, etc. for five whole years. And while he didn't undergo the sort of torture that Cloud did, being trapped and unable to do anything except sit around and watch/listen to Hojo and the other scientists carry out their scientific horror show could very well be considered a type of hell, especially for someone like Zack. Add to that the stress of being forced to hide your true feelings because of the constant surveillance and trying to cope with his guilt regarding what happened to Sephiroth, and you get one very unhappy, very angry guy. So while Cloud fell apart from his traumatic experiences, Zack became more focused, perhaps obsessively so.

Which brings up the interesting question -- can Montessi's and Roissy's murders be attributed solely to Strife? Or did Zack have some input there? ::significant eyebrow waggle::
naanima From: naanima Date: November 11th, 2005 12:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
More often than not I think Hojo is the greater evil. No matter how twisted and how much Jenova messed with people's head she's alien, and because of that I give her more leeway for doing the Evil. For all we know she might be considered 'nice' amongst her species. But for Hojo, a human, to do such horrible things to another human, well, I'm all for killing him. Slowly.

Vincent and guilt *ponders* It does throw in a whole new light on how much suffering was involved in order for Sephiroth to be born. Strangely I have always taken it for granted that Sephiroth was a fluke of nature. One of those once in a millenia deals; all the right alignment of planets, or some strange combination of environmental circumstances that cannot be reproduced by human. I know he was experimented on, but I jsut assumed that he was already beyond your average mortal, and that Hojo only aggravated the issue by making Sephiroth more aware of his 'otherness'.

Hmm, seven years after the game and I finally get the point *sighs*

I have to agree with you, under so much pressure/trauma/stress you'd have to be insane to be influenced by it. I don't think Zack is unbelievably strong so much as that in his pain he focused on something external to his own suffering. That is, he focused on Cloud to the exclusion of all else, it is always better to take care of someone than to dwell on one's own pain. And as such I belief that Cloud was as much as Zack's life line as Zack was Cloud's. Mutual survival, it is just that they dealt with it in complete different way.

I have a confession to make; when Cloud let Roissy(? The one he let go) fall to her death I had always assumed it was Zack. It was something to do with the way he let her die; cold, impersonal, as long she dies it was good enough. For some reason I had assumed Strife would make the whole affair; death and destruction, much more personal. Like hand through the chest, drinking blood personal.

Ohhh, I think I'm liking Strife more. Having said that I think I'm looking forward to Strife getting even with Sephiroth more, because you know, a whole different can of worms there. *giggles*
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 11th, 2005 11:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
Sephiroth's birth could very well a fluke, a sort of genetic jackpot. Certainly, Hojo couldn't duplicate Sephiroth's creation (i.e., Project B in COI), even with repeated attempts.

While Hojo had direct custody over Sephiroth, he probably had little interest in trying to create another Sephiroth. However, when Sephiroth escaped Hojo's direct control (by joining Shinra's military), Hojo probably started exploring the idea of making another Sephiroth, which is much easier said than done. Presumably, this is when Hojo started up Project A, which was direct cloning from Sephiroth's cells. It was only after Sephiroth 'died' in the Nibelheim reactor, Hojo really started work on Project B (modification of human fetuses before birth).

Vincent is no doubt wallowing in guilt because he sleep through all this, unaware of Hojo's horrific research. ^_^;;

I don't think Zack is unbelievably strong so much as that in his pain he focused on something external to his own suffering.

Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this subject. ^_- In some ways, Zack's situation is more like a prisoner-of-war than experimental subject. In that respect, the scientists are the enemy and it seems quite plausible (to me, at least) that as his confinement continued, Zack's anger at the 'enemy' would continued to intensify. Certainly, the more he learns of their activities (i.e., through Hojo's boasts, etc.), the more reason Zack has to hate them.

That is, he focused on Cloud to the exclusion of all else, it is always better to take care of someone than to dwell on one's own pain. And as such I belief that Cloud was as much as Zack's life line as Zack was Cloud's. Mutual survival, it is just that they dealt with it in complete different way.

Uhhhh... no. I'm afraid not. ::massive sweatdrop:: Considering all the experimentation carried out on Cloud, it's unlikely that Zack really saw Cloud much for a substantial part of their confinement. And when he did eventually see Cloud, Cloud was pretty much out of his mind by then.

So, as COI is currently plotted (although this is subject to change), Zack and Cloud weren't really that close as friends. If Zack felt anything for Cloud, it would probably mostly pity because of the hell the scientists were putting the poor kid through.

So why would Zack go through so much trouble to escape with Cloud? I'm sorry to say but it wasn't necessarily altrusism, at least in the beginning. What if Zack learned or suspected that Cloud was the focus of some special research -- something big, even if Zack didn't know the exact details. That would be enough to get him interested in Cloud at the beginning. And if Cloud is so important to those scientists he hates so much, then that is pretty good reason to steal their prize specimen, right?

But perhaps as Zack spent more time with Cloud, he did indeed start to feel sympathy and comraderie with Cloud. So even if he first had his own selfish reasons for escaping with Cloud, by the time of the actual escape, Zack really did care what happened to Cloud.

Ah, but remember that Cloud's mind is steadily being taken over by Zack's personality. So at least on some level, Cloud was painfully aware (however dimly) that Zack wasn't really interested in helping him of pure friendship. A part of him (you can guess which part!) deeply resented that while another part of Cloud is willing to accept whatever kindness he could get, even if motivated by pity or some ulterior motive. And given his usual easy-going temperment, Zack tends to be quite friendly, nice, and supportive, unless he had good reason not to be.

I'm not trying to make Zack a bad or unsympathetic person -- it's just that his loyalties lay pretty much entirely with Sephiroth and he did whatever it took to take care of Sephiroth's interests and welfare. But with Sephiroth dead (as far as he knows), Zack is now simply taking care of his own interests.


madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 11th, 2005 11:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have a confession to make; when Cloud let Roissy(? The one he let go) fall to her death I had always assumed it was Zack. It was something to do with the way he let her die; cold, impersonal, as long she dies it was good enough. For some reason I had assumed Strife would make the whole affair; death and destruction, much more personal. Like hand through the chest, drinking blood personal.

No, that was mostly Strife. I'm sure that if Strife could have done something long, slow, and painful, he would have. But at that point in time, he only just a few seconds of control over Cloud's body, so he did what he could in the brief instant that he had. But Zack also had a hand in Roissy's murder, too. After all, Zack probably saw an opportune chance to rid the world of one of those despicable scientists that he loathes so much. ::evil grin::

Ohhh, I think I'm liking Strife more. Having said that I think I'm looking forward to Strife getting even with Sephiroth more, because you know, a whole different can of worms there. *giggles*

Well, Strife already took out Zack with a stab in the back and excessive amounts of hacking. ^_- Which leaves two people which Strife really REALLY has a vendetta against -- Sephiroth and Tifa. ::innocent whistle::

mukanshin From: mukanshin Date: November 9th, 2005 03:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
ZMDFG! Was all that could be heard as it ran rampantly squeeing fangirlishy through mine head after just reading the description. =^_____^= *worships thee*

XD~! *squees* You have no idea how bloody hard it is to stay semi-coherant at this moment. I LOVED everything about that! *points points* The interactions between Cloud/Zack and even Strify-pooh are becoming more..what's the word...inconspicious and unintrusive upon one another it seems. <3 Aa, the wolfish grin. Be still my beating heart. <3 Was a wee bit fearful for Reno there for a moment. o.o; Suspecting that his current state of mind kinda nudged out the whole 'Cloud's a raving lunatic' from when in the cylinder when he gets pissed kinda recollection, either that he chalked most of it up to drugs. (which it actually was but still...) Understanable. Much Zack in this snippit. <3 Loves the Zack. But oh \^_____^/ The end. Strife. <3 <3 Yes, yes let's have Strife come out to play~ *does a little 'WAI~!' dance whilst snuggling chibi Strife plushie*

However~ *munches on chibi Strife plushies head* the ah "But unlike Reno, HE had been the one to do the severing. Not just once, not just twice, but three times, with his own bloody hands. He could only hope that there wouldn't be a fourth time...." bit has gots me to wondering. I'm guessing that the 2nd time would be when Zack threw Sephy into the reactor...? The third Strife killing Zack... The fourth well...to come. *wolfish grin* But what would be first instance? Or have I gotten them all wrong? *woes* Unless it's actually 1. being Zack/Sephy/reactor 2. Strife killing Zack 3. nearly simultaneous and most likely non-conciously acknowledged Cloud supressing Strife moment. O.o; Or~ It might an undisclosed happening between Zack & Cloud whilst in Nibelheim. >.> Oh the mystery of it all. <3

<3's to Madamhydra-sama.
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 06:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
At the moment, Reno has been thoroughly distracted from Cloud's psycho behavior while drugged. And even if he does think about it some more, it's very easy to excuse considering what he knows now about Hojo's activities and Cloud's undoubtedly terrible experiences at Nibelheim.

....which could be a serious mistake, considering Strife's rampant paranoia and resentment. If Reno should happen to casually say the wrong thing and if Strife gets it into his head that Reno knows too much.... ::loud, throat-slicing sound::

Yes, Strife is due to have some fun and payback. Definitely don't forget the payback, for slights real and imagined. After all, Reno's sister got off way too easy, the bitch. ^_-

Regarding that statement Zack made about severing of a bond, he's talking about making the deliberate decision to kill Sephiroth on three separate occasions: (1) at the Nibelheim reactor 6 years ago; (2) the battle with the one-winged Sephiroth at the Northern Crater; (3) the very final exchange of blows afterward in that weird mindscape/spiritscape. Obviously, Cloud/Zack hopes that nothing will happen that will make killing Sephiroth a fourth time necessary.

::slithers away to the accompaniment of ominous foreshadowing music::
blue_oceandeep From: blue_oceandeep Date: November 10th, 2005 04:42 am (UTC) (Link)

*squeals with delight*

I swear. I come here, I have all my thoughts organized, and then I lose them all over again in giddyness. Guess I should have a few more read throughs for the delightedness to wear off. =)

He would be free again. And once free, he would take care of the final and most serious threat.

Sephiroth.


Oooo... is Sephiroth going to get a thrashing? *wicked grin*

And I love that we're finding more about Hojo's experiments. The sick bastard. I wonder who's going to bring the final smackdown on Hojo? Vincent, Seph, Reno, Red, or ZackCloud? Any hints, or should we start a betting pool? ;)

Can't wait for everyone to find out who's really in Cloud!

And is there anything we can do to make you write more? Keep you inspired? ^_^
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 07:07 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *squeals with delight*

I don't know about a thrashing, but Sephiroth is going to run into some difficulties.

If one accepts the COI theory that the power of a Jenova-modified person or creature increases with increasing insanity, then the present sane-Sephiroth is not as powerful as the insane-Sephiroth at the end of the game. Also, let us suppose that certain abilities that insane-Sephiroth used in the game are not available to sane-Sephiroth, perhaps because they either require more power or are strongly Jenova-related.

Consider that Cloud is more heavily modified than a regular SOLDIER --in fact, he is a 2nd generation SOLDIER which was intended to fully match and even exceed Sephiroth's known battle performance.

Now if a lack of sanity boosts one's power, consider just how strong Strife (in Cloud's body) is likely to be. As you can imagine, this is not good new for anyone, especially sane-Sephiroth. ::wince::

Sooooo... how are the good guys going to handle Strife?

::innocent whistle::
blue_oceandeep From: blue_oceandeep Date: November 10th, 2005 07:55 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *squeals with delight*

Also, let us suppose that certain abilities that insane-Sephiroth used in the game are not available to sane-Sephiroth, perhaps because they either require more power or are strongly Jenova-related.

Poor Sephy. He's less cool now. Well, it beats being shot at by a depowering gun. ;)

I hope we get to see his reaction when he's told of what he had been capable of.

And that thought he had about being able to force Cloud to do something in your previous snippet. Does that mean he still has that ability? Which reminds me that I need to remember that Sephiroth throughout most of the game isn't the real body of Sephiroth. (I keep forgetting it was him in a puppet.) Therefore, I'm curious... can your InsaneSeph go inhabit or see through the minds of multiple bodies at once, or only one at a time? And is he hopping and "away" from his real body when he does that, or is he anchor to his real body and just able to extend himself?

Anyways... that's an interesting idea on the relation of insanity and Jenova!Power. Sounds like only an insane person can process much of it. Or is it the processing that makes them insane? Questions, questions...

Consider that Cloud is more heavily modified than a regular SOLDIER --in fact, he is a 2nd generation SOLDIER which was intended to fully match and even exceed Sephiroth's known battle performance.

Awww... poor Sephy. He really isn't as cool anymore. And that makes Zack a 2nd Gen Soldier too, doesn't it? XD

In fact, Sephiroth will sense something's happened to Zack before everyone else does... except for the poor guy who happens to be around when Strife makes his move. ::cough::Yuffie::cough::

ROFL! XD
I'm sorry, I probably shouldn't laugh at that. O=)
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 08:34 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *squeals with delight*

Poor Sephy. He's less cool now. Well, it beats being shot at by a depowering gun. ;)

He's not less cool! ::hugs chibi-Seph plushie:: He's just back to his normal, non-nutty self. And since he doesn't clearly remember what he did while insane, no real loss there. However, in my Nibelheim prequel, there are comments that Sephiroth's strength had already been increasing sharply even before the mission to Nibelheim. And sudden increases in abilities is a danger sign in SOLDIERs.

And that thought he had about being able to force Cloud to do something in your previous snippet. Does that mean he still has that ability?

Ah yes, that insidious little thought about being able to force Cloud to do something. Sephiroth hasn't truly lost any abilities; he's only unable to use them... at the moment. Regaining his previous powers is really quite simple. Seductively simple, in fact. All he has to do is return to his former self.... ::evil grin::

The abilities of Insane-Sephiroth hasn't changed (so far) in COI. Nothing in the game indicates that Insane-Sephiroth was limited to inhabiting a single body at a time, if desired. I suppose it depends on how much active control he's exerting and the complexity of the task the puppet is performing. Something passive like seeing through puppets seems fairly easy to handle with multiple puppets while intense combat may require concentration with one puppet. My personal theory is that insane-Sephiroth's consciousness stayed with his primary body and that he merely extended his will to touch his puppets.

Anyways... that's an interesting idea on the relation of insanity and Jenova!Power. Sounds like only an insane person can process much of it. Or is it the processing that makes them insane? Questions, questions...

Ah, the infamous 'chocobo or egg' question! ::snicker:: My current theory is that mental instability removes the mind's natural protection against Jenova's influence and allows one to access more of the Jenova cell-related abilities, but that using such abilities tends to drive one even crazier. So it's a vicious cycle -- the nuttier you are, the more power you can use, and the more power you use, the nuttier you get.

No, Zack (in his original body) is a normal 1st generation SOLDIER, although a very high-functioning one (i.e., First Class). Cloud is the only 2nd generation human model, so to speak. However, throughout most of the game events, he was unable to make full use of those extra abilities due to his unstable mental state.

After the events at Mideel(?) when Cloud begins to mentally put himself back together (and when the stabilizing influence of Zack's personality really started to kick in), his abilities have gradually and steadily increased. The present Cloud probably has close to the full abilities of the 2nd generation SOLDIER as designed. So at the moment, Cloud (in full Zack-mode) is pretty close ability-wise to sane-Sephiroth. However, Strife, due to the extra boost from his craziness, can considerably exceed those design parameters.

ROFL! XD I'm sorry, I probably shouldn't laugh at that. O=)

Yeah, well Yuffie won't be laughing either. Fortunately, her chocobo just might pull a Lassie-rescue. ^_-
blue_oceandeep From: blue_oceandeep Date: November 12th, 2005 10:18 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *squeals with delight*

Ah yes, that insidious little thought about being able to force Cloud to do something. Sephiroth hasn't truly lost any abilities; he's only unable to use them... at the moment. Regaining his previous powers is really quite simple. Seductively simple, in fact. All he has to do is return to his former self.... ::evil grin::

That's got to be a bit scary. To just instantly become insane, and willingly too. Speaking for myself, that is awfully tempting... but if I'm insane, that means I'm not me, and I'm not really enjoying my power. Still, the idea is tantalizing....

And now I'm imagining a scenario where the only way Seph can save CloudZack is to regain an ability. And to do that, he has to become insane.

Does your Sephiroth Power mythology include the idea that under extreme stress, Seph can become stronger or unlock a power?

So it's a vicious cycle -- the nuttier you are, the more power you can use, and the more power you use, the nuttier you get.

Awesome. X)

No, Zack (in his original body) is a normal 1st generation SOLDIER, although a very high-functioning one (i.e., First Class). Cloud is the only 2nd generation human model, so to speak.

Oh, I meant that Zack is kinda like a 2nd Gen SOLDIER since he's in Cloud's body. =)

The present Cloud probably has close to the full abilities of the 2nd generation SOLDIER as designed. So at the moment, Cloud (in full Zack-mode) is pretty close ability-wise to sane-Sephiroth. However, Strife, due to the extra boost from his craziness, can considerably exceed those design parameters.

*cackles* Poor Seph. He doesn't know about the enemy that's in a body that was designed to be superior to him. *pats Seph on the hair* Looks like Strife is suppose to be cooler than you. =)

And damn... using your idea about 2nd Gen Soldiers, I can't help but think what would have happened to Seph if there was a 2nd Gen Soldier program that was succesfully launched *before* Seph went nuts in FF7. Hojo could have convinced Shina that Sephiroth was obselete and be more useful as a lab rat.

So, as COI is currently plotted (although this is subject to change)

You're not going to wander away from COI just yet, are you? *worries*
Here's a FF7 comedy fic I always reread. (Sorry if you read this one already!) It never fails to lift my mood or help energize my creativity. And the disclaimers and author notes in the beginning of each chapter (which aren't always the same) are funny too.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1803569/36/

Speaking of creativity... how many heads (and tails) do you have? Three or eight? I'm going to make it my mission to keep your COI bunnies fed. >=)
kotoshin From: kotoshin Date: November 17th, 2005 05:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *squeals with delight*

Sooooo... how are the good guys going to handle Strife?

::innocent whistle::


XDDD

CID: CRAP! *breaks out the tranks Savois gave him* Hey, BRAT, steal Spike's healing materia if you can!

... maybe, if Cid thinks forward at all about this, he'll tell Cloud that for his own safety, Cloud's perma-banned on being loaded with healing materia of ANY kind. XDDD

*oh, to be a fly on the wall when coi-8 finally emerges from its chrysalis!*
From: (Anonymous) Date: July 2nd, 2007 01:53 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: *squeals with delight*

''Sooooo... how are the good guys going to handle Strife? '' (pathetically trying to quote XD)

Hm, well, I certainly hope that Cloud will have something to do with it. As much as I love your Cloud=Cloud/Strife/Zack compared to the usual emo Cloud people tend to dish out (*coughcough*AC*coughcough*), I must say that I wish Cloud had his moments as much as Zack or Strife. I know, I'm a helpess Cloud fan ;)

Still, I think that even with Zack's backup and influence over his mental stability, Cloud had managed to build himself a more or less solid persona, as the one who had to live through all the events in the game. The memories he build up with his friends then are his alone, at least I think. ;) They lived through a lot together and they helped him grow considerably. I can't believe he would let Strife screw them up without lifting a finger. Of course, he'll need the usual slap-Cloud-to-his-senses treatment, be it from Zack or his friends. ;p Especially if he's going against Tifa; since Strife's hatred for her is this strong, I guess it will be one hell of a hard time stoping him.

Considering how much damage Strife could dish out to everyone considering your COI theories, the group will have one heck of a problem trying to stop him without killing him. Now that's gonna be something! D:

-Lirale again, sharing a bit of her own thinking (hope you don't mind^^)
redcrest From: redcrest Date: November 10th, 2005 05:59 am (UTC) (Link)
Ahhh~~ you finished that side story!! XD I love the new touches at the end-- so *that's* how the Seph-Zack relationship will become endangered again-- Strife is targeting Sephiroth! 0_0 And with all the guilt Sephi is feeling for what he's done to Zack/Cloud, he wouldn't defend himself, would he? (especially if he thought it was what Zack/Cloud wanted) Nooo~~~ I don't want Zack and Seph to be separated again~~~ ;__; But more Sephiroth in the story period would be good... ^___^ Kyaa, tanoshimi ni!

As for the story itself, I still think the writing is a teeny bit stiff in the first half, but by the time you get to Reno's "Why the hell didn't I sense anything?!" outburst, your usual, wonderfully flowing writing comes rushing back in and carries us in an entranced heap to the end of the story. ^__^ I'm REALLY looking forward to the next chapter of COI~~ and since I usually whine for more Zack, I'll mix it up a bit and whine for more Sephiroth! (I seriously enjoyed that single paragraph on what Sephiroth was doing WAY too much... ^^) Can't wait to see him brushing his teeth or something utterly normal like that... ^^;;
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 07:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yup, finally got around to finishing up this snippet.

And what do you mean Sephiroth won't defend himself? Do you think he's just going to stand around and let a raving psycho like Strife cut his throat without putting up a struggle? ::points to the chocobo drabble for the answer to that question:: Because believe me, Sephiroth can most definitely tell the difference between Zack and Strife. In fact, Sephiroth will sense something's happened to Zack before everyone else does... except for the poor guy who happens to be around when Strife makes his move. ::cough::Yuffie::cough::

I know the beginning of the drabble is a bit stiff and dry, because it's mostly narrative. But in a way, a sense of stiffness and restraint does suit that part. It's a rather tense and awkward situation -- Reno's going to see his sister's body, his mind filled with questions and guilt; Cloud's going back to a place with the very worst possible mental associations. So it's easy to imagine a rather stilted atmosphere until the dam breaks and Reno blurts out his question. But I'll definitely take a closer look at the tone at the beginning and tweak it if necessary.

Sephiroth brushing his teeth? Hmmm... can't oblige you there. But how about this?

Picture Sephiroth getting out of the shower and stepping out of a steamy bathroom wearing nothing but a tanktop and a pair of shorts. Picture him drying off his hair with a towel while casually talking (and I mean only talking!) to Cloud/Zack. Picture Tifa barging into the room and encountering this scene. Picture Sephiroth making an extremely acid comment on the lines of "What did you expect? And yes, I put my pants on, one leg at a time."

::slithers away, laughing maniacally::
redcrest From: redcrest Date: November 14th, 2005 09:32 am (UTC) (Link)
LoL, you've mentioned this fabled shower scene before-- but twice means, it's really gonna be in part 8?? <3 Ohhh, happy day~~ seriously, o tanoshimi ni!! XD

And-- Yuffie?! Strife?? You evil, evil person~~ throwing out enticing morsels of info like that when we have to wait for who knows how long for part 8? Gwah, now I'm dying to know what happens~~ ;__; But don't tell me-- I'll wait patiently for part 8 so I'll have lots and lots of goodies to have all at once when the time comes. ^__^ Ganbare!!
chaeotica From: chaeotica Date: November 10th, 2005 06:11 pm (UTC) (Link)

You're on a roll!

Yay! I haven't had this much COI!Crack since the last time I went on a Hydra-fic binge. It's still great, and getting deeper/darker, which is all cool. I also like the fact that you put in Strife POV outside of a Cloud's-drugged-out-of-his-mind-and-it-shows scene.

I only noticed a couple small problems, and they both involved missing quotes:
Cloud laughed bitterly. "You've got it all wrong. Hojo and his cronies are 'scientists'. He used a sharp flick of two gloved fingers...
Needs ending quotes after 'scientists'. I think the period should be inside the single-quotes too, but i could be wrong.

To literally become your victim's GOD.
Needs ending quotes after GOD.

Other than that, everything's great from what I saw! Keep up the great work!
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 06:35 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: You're on a roll!

Oops! Yes, typos all over the place. ::sigh:: Thanks for pointing them out. ::making corrections::

While he started out as a part of the original Cloud's own psyche, Strife now definitely has his own identity and his own voice. He's quite the egomaniac, isn't he?

There's a nice sort of creepiness in knowing that Strife is constantly lurking in the background, watching everything that's going on and interpreting it in his own totally twisted way.
blue_oceandeep From: blue_oceandeep Date: November 10th, 2005 07:25 pm (UTC) (Link)

*reads new comments*

Dear God, I want to eat your brain, Madamhydra! I want your mind!!!

Or at least Sephiroth's ability to rummage through it. You're keeping us in such suspense!

And thanks for posting screencaps and dialogue from Advent Children in your previous entry! I haven't seen it myself yet. I'm slightly disappointed at Sephiroth's appearance though. He looks weird. <_< On the upside, I just realized that if Hojo is the father, besides being inter-species(?), doesn't that make Sephiroth inter-racial too? XD
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: November 10th, 2005 07:29 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *reads new comments*

I wasn't entirely thrilled with Sephiroth's appearance at first, either. But that mild dissatisfaction got totally swallowed up when I saw the duel (and its flaming obvious subtext) between Sephiroth and Cloud.

Woohooo! ^__^
blue_oceandeep From: blue_oceandeep Date: November 10th, 2005 07:58 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *reads new comments*

That's weird... my entry got cut off. Must have been the emoticon. Or did I post something that was a major plot twist? (Which would be really cool!)
From: (Anonymous) Date: November 13th, 2005 07:16 am (UTC) (Link)
Now that you are actively writing again, is there any chance you would add another installment to Black Feathers? It's soooooooo good and stopped at such a evil cliff-hanger. Please consider finishing. oh pretty please.

Thank you soooo much for writing and letting public people read your work.
From: (Anonymous) Date: November 16th, 2005 12:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
I wonder what Spongebob Squarepants and Patrick Starfish would do if they were thrown into this story...:D
nekonexus From: nekonexus Date: January 14th, 2006 11:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
*glomps random tentacles* oh how I have missed this fic!

AC was such a good, good thing for stirring up FF7 muses. *gives thanks at the altar of Squeenix* ^_~ (mine crawled out, too, even! after a four year hiatus. >.> )

I love your Cloud and Strife and Zack and I really really look forward to seeing it all play out and who "wins" in the end. *nodnod*
madamhydra From: madamhydra Date: January 15th, 2006 12:13 am (UTC) (Link)
Ah yes. That duel between Cloud and Sephiroth was so yummy! ::wallowing unabashedly in the SxC subtext:: Glad to hear from you and may your fic muses be as merciless as mine!

You've probably already noticed, but I've posted a slew of random COI snippets lately -- hurray for LJ tags! -- on the general principle that writing a snippet (even if it doesn't quite fit in to the final fic product) is better than writing nothing. So check them out if you have the time.

And with the news that Kingdom Hearts 2 will have even more Cloud and Sephiroth stuff, my COI-weasels have really gone totally out of control. They're rabid, I tell you! Rabid! Of course the fact that I keep re-watching AC and Last Order doesn't help matters at all. ^_^;;;
nekonexus From: nekonexus Date: January 15th, 2006 07:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
Tags are a god-send. *nodnod* So are backup directories. o.O I had to go digging, but I found three half chapters of D&D and even managed to finish one of them. *does the dance of joy*

I've been enjoying your snippets, but I'm a slacker when it comes to replies these days. >.< gomen. And definitely something is better than nothing. I need to get over my need to put everything into an acceptable form before posting/sharing. :p

*hides from the weasels* ^_^ mine are still bunnies, and that's bad enough.
39 hisses or Hiss in my ear....